Is Blue Dead?

[Slurpeez]

TheWatcher wrote: So you guys think Tink is taking over as resident fairy?

I think that’s a strong possibility. But first she has to believe in herself.

I wonder if Tinkerbell taking over as head of the fairies means she’ll relax the rules. For example, perhaps Tink would allow the fairies to date, which would allow Nova and Grumpy finally to get a happy ending together!

[RumplesGirl]

RumplesGirl wrote:

TheWatcher wrote: So you guys think Tink is taking over as resident fairy?

I think that’s a strong possibility. But first she has to believe in herself.

I wonder if Tinkerbell taking over as head of the fairies means she’ll relax the rules. For example, perhaps Tink would allow the fairies to date, which would allow Nova and Grumpy finally to get a happy ending together!

I think so! Tink has a different set of ideas of “what is fairy like” and I suspect it would be more open.

Though, now that I’m thinking this outloud, the price of becoming head of the fairies and having all that power could corrupt some. Maybe that’s what happened to Blue? She started off benevolent but the power and the constant strain of trying to keep everyone in line turned her into a dictator? (random thoughts)

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[swanning-off]

I haven’t had a response to my question on twitter but I had a look at Keegan Connor’s twitter feed today. She seems pretty resigned to Blue being permanently dead and bummed out at being unemployed (she mentioned that her Bates Motel character has also been killed off).

So maybe we’re all wrong on the Sneaky Fairy theory?

FWIW I tweeted her and said that I hoped Blue comes back, as otherwise all the convenient plot exposition uses of Blue are just poor writing and a waste of her character. If she’s Sneaky then it all ties together.

[Demileto]

Latest Mega Buzz discussed this: http://www.tvguide.com/News/Mega-Buzz-Nashville-Scandal-Spoilers-1074445.aspx

I tried copy and pasting here, but I couldn’t get the spoiler tag to work, so I just left the link.

[TheWatcher]

From Megabuzz:

 

Is the Blue Fairy really dead on Once Upon a Time? — Jen
NATALIE: The good news: Executive producers Adam Horowitz and Edward Kitsis recently teased that shadows can be reattached to their hosts. The bad news: We hear the cast recently shot a funeral scene up in Vancouver.

"I could have the giant duck as my steed!" --Daniel Radcliffe
Keeper Of Tamara's Taser , Jafar's Staff, Kitsis’s Glasses , Ariel’s Tail, Dopey's Hat , Peter Pan’s Shadow, Outfit, & Pied Cloak,Red Queen's Castle, White Rabbit's Power To World Hop, Zelena's BroomStick, & ALL MAGIC

[Myril]

Thanks for the link/info. So love it when these professional TV chatterbox folks hype something by telling nothing. Not. They’re like these annoying wannabe influencers at highschool, who later hang around in offices at the watercooler, coffee maker or copy machine room, telling everybody the newest big secret which is no secret at all. They know squat but crave to be seen as important secret bearers. Gagh. There is spoiling and there is hyping for nothing.

Dear professional TV chatterbox folks, what is the big news here? Okay, guess you guess audience is too stupid to do the math. Whatever.

Sorry for the rant.

But, seriously, did anyone ever assume someone like Rumple would be so stupid to cut off his shadow, if there wouldn’t in general be the slightest chance of reattaching it? Alright, Rumple might have not minded, after all he was believing, he would be undone soon anyway. But it looked to me even as if he wasn’t doing it the first time. Huge difference though: He cut off his shadow, it wasn’t ripped off.

I never got the killing factor of shadow ripping in the first place, and think they never really thought it through. They had “Pan’s” shadow (we still don’t know, who he belongs to, if to anyone), it was kinda cool, so let’s do it that way. What is the shadow of a person? Life essence? The soul in visible form? Or maybe just the essence of the dark side of the person (and thanks to Star Trek and other fiction we know, that one can’t really live with just the good side or the bad side, torn apart you die after a while, one can’t survive without the other, oh, wait, the latter was something else :P)? The show gives not the slightest idea. But shadow ripping by the shadow killed definitely Greg. And it was said several times, that ripping shadow kills in a painful way.

It was puzzling from the beginning, seeing that heart ripping already sometimes killed and sometimes didn’t instantly kill people, although one can explain that (intention of the ripper, magic connection of heart and body, blabla). Maybe, some remember the cheap zombies used by Cora? Sorry for reminding that there was a second season 😉 Anyway. Heart ripping doesn’t always kill instantly, so possible, that shadow ripping as some convenient sides as well when it fits plot and story. But that is the problem, the rules for heart ripping already are too convenient.

It was suggested, that the shadows might return to their former owners and the are revived once Pan would get killed. Unless there comes some automatic body preservation spell with the ripping that can’t work, at least not for the majority of ripped shadows, because the bodies are gone. The shadow had been ripping for centuries, must be some pile of preserved bodies on the island in some cave then. It’s a problem I already had with Phillip’s story line and particular his resurrection. How come the body was fine without the soul? Nicely preserved and easy to reoccupy. Was that always the case? Then where are the others? Perhaps they have more fantasy newbies in mind when writing, but even those have a brain and might ask such questions.

So maybe we’re all wrong on the Sneaky Fairy theory?

Never had been into the Sneaky Fairy theory. Mostly because sadly I just don’t have the impression, that things didn’t add up, because the writers gave it thought, but because they didn’t give it thought. It was random.

One can wonder, why Blue was running and screaming instead of making a stand for example, but guess she needs fairy dust and her wand, but she keeps her wand and a little stack of dust somewhere in the fairies’ convent in a huge hidden safe or so, and never carries it around with her for safety reasons. For those being into the sneaky fairy theory of course it feeds the idea of her death being shady and something else going on. To me that it’s just sloppy writing.

Stories, or parts of a story, sometimes can develop a life on their own though, particular when it comes to serialized forms of story telling, as TV shows are. You start out with a basic outline that might include an endgame, but not everything on the way is defined, you have room for new twists, new characters, taking characters (for a while) into different directions … There can be surprises even to the creators, bit like life. It’s a journey, start, general route and destination are known, but on the way a lot can happen. So the writers might have not thought of some things at the beginning, but they could now.

I get the fascination with Sneaky Fairy theory, and admit, there is something to a bigger story arc for Blue, although not as a big bad (she just doesn’t have that vibe to me), more in the sense of that she has her own agenda. I see even more potential to have her have some good intentions than having turned evil on the way, even when she was trying to undo something she once meant well. The curse of people made responsible for the happiness of others.

Though, now that I’m thinking this outloud, the price of becoming head of the fairies and having all that power could corrupt some. Maybe that’s what happened to Blue? She started off benevolent but the power and the constant strain of trying to keep everyone in line turned her into a dictator? (random thoughts)

I find it interesting, how negative the reactions to the Blue Fairy have been. Mostly people disliked, that she often seemed to stand by and do not much to nothing, while she was presumed to be all good and have such immense powers, be the original power. Some even hated the Blue Fairy for that. And it was the basis for people coming up with Sneaky Fairy theory.

Yes, power can corrupt. Most of the times though you will find, that power simply attracts the already corrupt, their corruption was just not so visible before they got power. Someone with a good heart though very unlikely is going to lose it in a powerful position, but the good heart might get broken, until they can’t take it anymore and resign or collapse. If you have a good heart and come to (big) power, all you can do is fail, and the question is only how much. Even if the power could be unlimited, then it would be only worse. Some fail big time, others less, but they all fail. Why? Because there is no way that you can do good to everybody all the time. Life has limits and one has to work with that, that means compromises, and sometimes tough calls. Doing good for some might not be the good for others. You will never satisfy all needs and wishes. And what good you do now, might turn out bad in the future. You can only fail with a good heart when you get power. Sounds pessimistic and not hopeful, but just means that one has to accept, that there are limits, that you can’t do all good to everybody, and others will sometimes hate you for it.

In story telling, fantasy, when you create an all powerful being or a most powerful, more powerful than any other, you always have a problem. There always will be the question, why isn’t that being doing something about whatever is happening, why don’t they make all friends, see that everybody has food, house, work, loved ones and is loved, that there is no war… or destroy everything with a wink when it’s an all powerful evil being. Short: you don’t have a story to tell. Sometimes story tellers have some nebulous entity somewhere lurking around, intervening if crucial, but otherwise keeping out of things, pretty much nothing else than a Deus ex machina.

That has been and always will be the problem with the Blue Fairy in OUaT. Even killing her doesn’t quite change that, because there are things in the past still not adding up for many. At least, killing the Blue Fairy makes rather clear, that her powers were definitely limited, and that even someone like her can’t cheat death. Bringing her back, whatever way, would make the story telling problems, the writers already have with this character, only worse.

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[Keb]

Well, unlike Greg, Blue has the advantage of being a supernatural and immortal* being–something she has in common with Rumple and Pan. I’m assuming that either the lost boys or some creature of Neverland got to Greg’s body, based on what Tink said, which means that Greg’s truly gone…but Blue has some hope. She was, after all, said to be “The original power,” so if anyone could survive it, it’s her.

I’m actually hoping she does, but we’ll see what they’re doing soon enough.

Keeper of Belle's Gold magic, sand dollar, cloaks, purple FTL outfit, spell scroll, library key, copy of Romeo and Juliet, and cry-muffling pillow, Rumple's doll, overcoat, and strength, and The Timeline. My spreadsheet: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6r8CySCCWd9R0RUNm4xR3RhMEU/view?usp=sharing

[TheWatcher]

Enchanted Forest: Hearts

Wonderland: Heads (Hearts too)

Neverland: Shadows

From what we have seen, a lot of lands have a body part they can detach. We’ve seen hearts been removed and the person still survived (for almost 30 years in Wills case) Jeff has his head chopped off and he apparently had it reattached. I think its safe to say if they drop that shadow back in Blues body, she will revive.

Hey, you know in Atlantica, maybe voices are the thing that gets taken alot 😛 a mermaid without a voice is like a witch without a broom (heard that somewhere)

"I could have the giant duck as my steed!" --Daniel Radcliffe
Keeper Of Tamara's Taser , Jafar's Staff, Kitsis’s Glasses , Ariel’s Tail, Dopey's Hat , Peter Pan’s Shadow, Outfit, & Pied Cloak,Red Queen's Castle, White Rabbit's Power To World Hop, Zelena's BroomStick, & ALL MAGIC

[RumplesGirl]

Given certain PP traditions, I wouldn’t be surprised if they manage to reattach Blue’s shadow. Her shadow is out there somewhere. Maybe it comes in search of the others to try and warn them (we’ve seen Shadows speak) about PP or to deliver some other news and Tink uses her belief to restore the shadow.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[once_dude]

My thoughts on Blue in general:

I like her, therefore she needs to be more than just a plot device (be it for good Jiminy and Pinnocchio) or “evil” (the dark curse announcement, the warning off of Tinkerbell, and the forbidding of Nova and dreamy)

I want her to have an overarching story because everyone in the show gets one (if Dreamy the dwarf can get one why cant the blue fiary)

As to there being a funeral scene: readers take note: there was a funeral for Arcie Hopper.

If they bring her back they have to have mroe of a story to her character: even fi she gets jsut oen episode all the fans would be happy. I don’t care whether they make her sneaky or not (sneaky fairy is sneaky) but I want to know her just as much as I know Anton at least.

Reu Ghorm you will be missed if you are dead.

Magic always comes with a price, so I pay with visa.

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