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In tonight’s episode it was revealed that magic is leaving all realms (victory dance, right over here) and Henry’s belief is what will save them all. He’s the Savior. Emma was only one part of that. What do you all think? Is Henry the REAL Savior or does Emma trump him in some way?
[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I think we’re going to discover that Henry has powerful magic himself. But we also have to remember that Pan is playing massive head games with Henry. He might be telling the truth, but he’s also manipulating everything to his way.
Keeper of Rumplestiltskin's and Neal's spears and war paint and crystal ball.
I think we’re going to discover that Henry has powerful magic himself. But we also have to remember that Pan is playing massive head games with Henry. He might be telling the truth, but he’s also manipulating everything to his way.
That is a very good point Jo. It may be that PP is playing on Henry’s desire to be the hero, to be good. I think PP has a lot of psychological insight into Henry and indeed into each of the JR5/6/7 (seriously, what do we call them now?) and he uses it against them. He used Emma’s feelings of abandonment against her.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Okay, I just went through and transcribed the Henry/Pan conversation from my closed captions. This might help the discussion:
HENRY: I don’t belong here.
PAN: Actually, you do. We’ve been waiting for you a very long time, Henry. Long before you were even born.
HENRY: I don’t believe that.
PAN: (huffs) You should. This place runs on imagination, on belief. But your world stopped believing. Magic is dying, and you, Henry, need to save it.
HENRY: In my world, you mean.
PAN: (scoffs) In every world. You need to bring it back. That’s your destiny, to return the magic, to be the savior.
HENRY: My mom Emma is the savior, not me.
PAN: (scoffs) Yeah, she broke some curse, yeah. Oh, I know more than you think. But what if breaking the curse wasn’t the thing that made her the savior? What if having you was? Think about it. You’re decended from the greatest of light and of dark. What, you think it’s a coincidence that the span of the Dark One met your mother? You were created for a reason, and I can help you find it.
HENRY: So you think I’m supposed to save magic.
PAN: I don’t think. I believe. Remember I, uh, said I had something to show you. Here. I’ve had this for a very long time, long before you were even thought of. Take a look and you’ll know why I’m so sure you’re the hero magic has been waiting for.
*hands Henry a scroll, who throws it down*
HENRY: I don’t believe you.
PAN: (chuckles) You remind me of your father.
Keeper of Rumplestiltskin's and Neal's spears and war paint and crystal ball.
Okay, I just went through and transcribed the Henry/Pan conversation from my closed captions. This might help the discussion:
Bless you
But your world stopped believing. Magic is dying, and you, Henry, need to save it.
Did our world stop believing because of the Dark Curse?
But what if breaking the curse wasn’t the thing that made her the savior? What if having you was? Think about it. You’re decended from the greatest of light and of dark. What, you think it’s a coincidence that the span of the Dark One met your mother? You were created for a reason, and I can help you find it.
Please see my thread for discussion on how much PP has been manipulating things behind the scenes https://oncepodcast.com/forums/topic/woven-threads-peter-pan-and-manipulation/
PAN: (chuckles) You remind me of your father.
YEAH!
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I think it’s possible Henry is even more powerful than Emma, because he’s the product of true love twice over. Whether or not he’s a savior in this story I don’t know. I believe there can be only one savior in this story, but I don’t know if it’s Emma or henry. Although maybe she was a savior of the enchanted forest and henry is one for everyone or all over. Emma did save her people,maybe henry is supposed to save everyone or everyone else or at least magic for everyone or everyone else. I just think that all these possibilities are products of great writing and great show creators. <3
I knew it! Peter Pan always planned for Neal and Emma to meet to combine light and dark magic. Calling it now: I think Henry is a true savior and that he is also a product of true love: Emma and Neal’s.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
Pan manipulates, but we don’t yet know if he’s prone to lying. He has said he always keeps his promises.
Rumple was the one who declared Emma to be the “Saviour”, and if his knowledge of the purpose of the Curse only went so far as his own involvement in it – so acquiring it, setting up the situation where it was cast, and seeing to it that it could be broken to he could find his son – then yeah, she was the Saviour as far as he knew.
But if the Curse was really just part of a larger game, which Pan is aware of, then from Pan’s perspective, the objective, and therefore the “Saviour” is different.
One thing about Pan’s speech that I think was a little off was calling Neal the “spawn of the Dark One.” Rumple wasn’t the Dark One when Neal was conceived and born. (Does Pan know this?) So while Henry does seem to have evil on one side and good on the other, it isn’t quite so cut and dry.
Whenever Henry’s been referred to (in interviews and stuff) as the product of both light and dark magic, I’ve always figured they meant in a nature/nurture kinda way, where he gets the light from Emma and the dark from Regina. But calling Neal the spawn of the Dark One does make it sound like they’re referring to darkness in Rumple.
All I can think of it at the moment is that perhaps we’ll see that Rumple was doomed/cursed/marked somehow from a young age, so there was actually something dark lurking inside him even before he was the Dark One? Most of us figure that his doll being in NL means he was in NL as a child, so perhaps something happened to alter him while he was there?
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