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If you need another reason to be sure Neal isn’t dead – Would they make Rumple and Bae’s last time seeing each other THAT? No way.
[adrotate group="5"]@Shack1212 wrote:
If you need another reason to be sure Neal isn’t dead – Would they make Rumple and Bae’s last time seeing each other THAT? No way.
I think that’s super important. This show is–at the end the end of the day–about hope and redemption. No way they would end the Rumple/Bae arc that way.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"@lilysmom wrote:
Emma said he was gone, but she also said that she killed him.
“Neal, you’re shot! If you fall through that portal, you’ll die no matter what world you land in!”
It’s a pretty reasonable assumption that if someone who already has a serious injury gets thrown violently through a portal, they’ll be in even worse shape when they come out the other side. And if he’s going to a land without modern medicine, and where he doesn’t know anyone, again, chances aren’t good.I think everyone will go right on believing that there’s no way he can have survived. Rumple may be the only possible exception, but given the reasoning in my previous paragraph, I’d think that even Rumple would have to admit that the chances weren’t good.
For a decade, Emma has held onto Neal, onto the possibility of their Tallahassee, because she knew he was still out there somewhere. Now she believes he’s dead. This opens the door for her to consider moving on, which could be the setup for CaptainSwan.
There aren’t many people who knew Nealfire apart from Emma. It’s a shortlist of just Rumple, and Hook. I’ve been hoping for ages that Bae and Hook would have had a close friendship in NL. “Welcome aboard the Jolly Rodger, m’boy,” made me squeal with delight and I can’t wait to see their history. So if Nealfire is believed dead by everyone, that will likely have an effect on Hook as well.
I think that their mutual affection for Nealfire and sadness over him being gone is what will cause CaptainSwan to develop a real bond. (Which would be sort of hilarious, given the competition of the ships.) Hook can tell Emma what Nealfire was like as a kid. Emma can tell Hook was he was like as an adult, (you know that the pirate would be proud of Nealfire’s thieving ways). They can fill in the gaps for each other and become close to each other in the process.
But then once CaptainSwan are getting into the swing of things, Nealfire will show up alive and Emma’s feels and hopes for him will all come flowing back and TRIANGLE AHOY.
If there’s going to be a love triangle next season with these three, the writers are gonna have to up their game and make it seriously convincing that Emma, whom just admitted her love for a man, is going to turn around and fall in love with another man and then when they all reunite be all conflicted again.
First of all, I want to say that The Portal Scene shifted my opinion on Neal and Emma. I’m a “follow the canon” kind of girl so I’ve been waiting very patiently (hah) for two things: Neal’s apology and Emma’s true admission of feelings. I couldn’t get on the bandwagon of Neal and Emma until Neal apologized and they cleared the air. It was frustrating the shit out of me that he hadn’t even said the words I’m sorry. And while I think the beach scene could have been a bit different (his apology more geared towards her pain than his), he did apologize and I do believe Emma accepted it.
I also think it was quite obvious the last few eps when she said she was over Neal that that wasn’t complete truth. At best, I think she was completely confused. So during the portal scene it wasn’t her admission of loving him that sold me that Emma really loved Neal, it was her reaction when he said he loved her. That smile. Laugh. The crying laugh/smile or whatever you want to call it. That was heartbreaking. Because that was the moment the walls came completely crashing down. I can’t really express the awesomeness of that little moment, but you get the idea…
So anyway, back to the triangle. If it goes that Emma believes he’s dead and then she starts this thing with Hook it’s… I can’t see it happening. I really can’t. Even if she thinks he’s dead. I guess it all depends on how much time passes. When we come back in S3 and it’s only been a day or something and they start this thing, it’s going to be weird. And unrealistic. Because it took Emma 10 years after Neal left her to open her heart again, to Graham. And that was when she thought Neal didn’t even love her. That was her just protecting herself. But this time, she knows she loves Neal and that Neal loves her and she’s just going to go to the next guy? There would need to be a mourning period. At least six months, maybe more, I don’t know.
So if Emma and Hook have this thing going on and then Neal shows back up… I don’t understand why there would be any tension or even a triangle. I don’t understand why Emma wouldn’t be like “So sorry Hook but OMG NEAL IS ALIVE!” Ya know? If what this show is trying to tell us is that Emma has always been in love with Neal then why would she be conflicted between a man she just started a thing with and the man she’s been in love with for over 12 years? She wouldn’t.
So I really don’t think Hook and Emma are going to have a grand love affair. I can see it being physical though. Even with Neal gone. The girl finds comfort in another man’s arms? I get it.
But, with The Portal Scene now I just don’t see how Emma would reach that level of love with Hook by the time they either reunite back with Neal or at least know he’s alive. But, if the writers do want to make it go that way, they’re going to have to step up the game and make it realistic because it will be a hard story to sell. IMO.
@Schmacky wrote:
So during the portal scene it wasn’t her admission of loving him that sold me that Emma really loved Neal, it was her reaction when he said he loved her. That smile. Laugh. The crying laugh/smile or whatever you want to call it. That was heartbreaking. Because that was the moment the walls came completely crashing down. I can’t really express the awesomeness of that little moment, but you get the idea…
Oh I totally get the idea. JMo OWNED that scene like a BOSS. Her reaction to his declaration of love was perfection. Made your heart wanna both sing and cry at the same time. 😀 😥
So if Emma and Hook have this thing going on and then Neal shows back up… I don’t understand why there would be any tension or even a triangle. I don’t understand why Emma wouldn’t be like “So sorry Hook but OMG NEAL IS ALIVE!” Ya know? If what this show is trying to tell us is that Emma has always been in love with Neal then why would she be conflicted between a man she just started a thing with and the man she’s been in love with for over 12 years? She wouldn’t.
I’d say we’d all prefer if there isn’t a massively tense, drawn out triangle, because they’re overdone, juvenile and tedious. SwanFire are my endgame, but I’m also sure that CaptainSwan are gonna have something going on in the not too distant future. As long as it’s done in a believable way, I’m eager to see it, and the point the story is at right now, it would be believable IMO that they’d end up turning to each other and develop a genuine, personal connection. If they want to do CaptainSwan with the least amount of teenaged drama possible, the only time that could really happen is when Nealfire is out of the picture, which he is right now.
When Nealfire comes back, I could see Emma being somewhat conflicted if she’s made a commitment to a relationship of some description with Hook. She’s not cold hearted, and if she’s come to genuinely care for him by then, it would be a tad insensitive to just drop him like a hot potato. Ideally, the “triangle” would be quickly resolved though, with both Hook and Emma realising that it just ain’t gonna last because ultimately, her heart still belongs to Nealfire, and he loves her too, so they have to sort out all their stuff and give themselves a real chance to make it work. If Hook and Nealfire do have a friendly past, I could see Hook standing aside when he sees how much Nealfire truly loves Emma.
I’d like for CaptainSwan to serve a purpose for each of them as individuals and for it not to end bitterly. Their relationship could serve the purpose of helping each of them learn to open up to someone again, help each of them grow enough that they can then have the strength to move on and have completely fulfilling relationships with their respective endgames in the future.
When Nealfire comes back, I could see Emma being somewhat conflicted if she’s made a commitment to a relationship of some description with Hook. She’s not cold hearted, and if she’s come to genuinely care for him by then, it would be a tad insensitive to just drop him like a hot potato. Ideally, the “triangle” would be quickly resolved though, with both Hook and Emma realising that it just ain’t gonna last because ultimately, her heart still belongs to Nealfire, and he loves her too, so they have to sort out all their stuff and give themselves a real chance to make it work. If Hook and Nealfire do have a friendly past, I could see Hook standing aside when he sees how much Nealfire truly loves Emma.
How long will Nealfire be away is the question. I can’t see them separating him from everyone else for very long especially since MAP may not be around in S3, they all have other commitments that are at least part time and I can’t see Emma moving on rapidly at any point. She barely moved on in the 10 years since Nealfire left her. She’s not going to be hooking up with anyone anytime soon. She may develop a friendship with Hook, but I don’t know if we’re going to get a triangle anymore.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Schmacky wrote:I also think it was quite obvious the last few eps when she said she was over Neal that that wasn’t complete truth. At best, I think she was completely confused. So during the portal scene it wasn’t her admission of loving him that sold me that Emma really loved Neal, it was her reaction when he said he loved her. That smile. Laugh. The crying laugh/smile or whatever you want to call it. That was heartbreaking. Because that was the moment the walls came completely crashing down. I can’t really express the awesomeness of that little moment, but you get the idea…So anyway, back to the triangle. If it goes that Emma believes he’s dead and then she starts this thing with Hook it’s… I can’t see it happening. I really can’t. Even if she thinks he’s dead. I guess it all depends on how much time passes. When we come back in S3 and it’s only been a day or something and they start this thing, it’s going to be weird. And unrealistic. Because it took Emma 10 years after Neal left her to open her heart again, to Graham. And that was when she thought Neal didn’t even love her. That was her just protecting herself. But this time, she knows she loves Neal and that Neal loves her and she’s just going to go to the next guy? There would need to be a mourning period. At least six months, maybe more, I don’t know.
[ quote=”Schmacky”]Completely agree with you. It would be disappointed if Emma does that. I don’t think that is her character at all. Emma is not the type that needs a man in order to be whole. If Neal/Bae and Emma are true love, it cannot be like that…. It would make true love to be so cheap for me, or is it a true love at all.
@RumplesGirl wrote:
How long will Nealfire be away is the question. I can’t see them separating him from everyone else for very long especially since MAP may not be around in S3, they all have other commitments that are at least part time and I can’t see Emma moving on rapidly at any point. She barely moved on in the 10 years since Nealfire left her. She’s not going to be hooking up with anyone anytime soon. She may develop a friendship with Hook, but I don’t know if we’re going to get a triangle anymore.
That puzzles me as well.
As far as Hook/Emma goes, I know they’ve hinted that we’d be seeing it in some way, but I feel like they’ve given Neal/Emma a threshold too high for Hook to be able to compete with equal chances. Neal has been the love of her life for the last eleven years; she’s never truly fallen out of love with him, no matter how much she tried to deny. She’s kept objects that reminded her of him, she had a son with him and she states that she needs him and that she loves him right before losing him again, which crushes her to no end. It feels too much like they’re each other’s true loves, it does make one wonder if they’re really going for a classic triangle or Hook will just be a obstacle in their love story.
Not that I complain, mind you – I ship SwanFire fiercely -, but that’d suck for CaptainSwan shippers, that’s for sure.
@RumplesGirl wrote:
When Nealfire comes back, I could see Emma being somewhat conflicted if she’s made a commitment to a relationship of some description with Hook. She’s not cold hearted, and if she’s come to genuinely care for him by then, it would be a tad insensitive to just drop him like a hot potato. Ideally, the “triangle” would be quickly resolved though, with both Hook and Emma realising that it just ain’t gonna last because ultimately, her heart still belongs to Nealfire, and he loves her too, so they have to sort out all their stuff and give themselves a real chance to make it work. If Hook and Nealfire do have a friendly past, I could see Hook standing aside when he sees how much Nealfire truly loves Emma.
How long will Nealfire be away is the question. I can’t see them separating him from everyone else for very long especially since MAP may not be around in S3, they all have other commitments that are at least part time and I can’t see Emma moving on rapidly at any point. She barely moved on in the 10 years since Nealfire left her. She’s not going to be hooking up with anyone anytime soon. She may develop a friendship with Hook, but I don’t know if we’re going to get a triangle anymore.
K&H are brave if they end up stopping short of an actual CaptainSwan relationship. Not that I expect or want them to change their story for the sake of pandering to the fans, but they haven’t exactly tried to throw cold water on the shippers, and they certainly know that a large chunk of the fandom ship it hardcore. If they didn’t want to encourage the shippers, they could choose their words carefully to not give too much hope. Instead they happily confirm that the two characters will have scenes together. That makes me think that there’s gonna be some actual CaptainSwan at some point.
As for the question of how long Nealfire will be missing. Well, let’s say he lands in FTL. We know how hard it is to create a working portal out of FTL these days. It took Snow and Emma almost half a season, and I realise that not that much time actually passed for them, but they had a definite goal and a plan and were spending every waking (and sleeping) moment working on it. Nealfire’s got none of the tools or knowledge that they had. He’d have no idea where to even start trying to find a way back to our world. And if everyone in SB think he’s dead, no one will come looking for him. And if they have no way to get everyone back to FTL with all the beans gone, then they’re stuck in SB. A situation like that could keep them apart for a decent chunk of time.
Of course, if the crew of the JR end up in FTL, and if Nealfire is there too, then that changes things. But I'm assuming they take the JR to NL, and then come home to SB, which, as I've said elsewhere, I think will still be standing.
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