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I’m not sure if Neal really loves Tamara or if she cast a spell on him, made him drink a potion, or something sinister like that. I mean she has that crazy magical creature killing taser. So is it possible for her to have found some other magic to make Neal fall in love with her?
Or does Neal genuinely love her? And did Neal only allow himself to fall for her because he thought there was no hope for him and Emma?
I’d love to hear everyone’s thoughts/theories. 😀
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"Because... it was born out of true love."Hello =) Very interesting questions…here are my thoughts on them:
¿Is Neal bewitched by Tamara?
This has been a question on my mind, ever since we had the mention and almost use of the “empty hearted curse”….the writers of this show love to give us clues foreshadowing upcoming story-lines (like the trading life candle, that made a reappearance and killed Cora)…SO I guess it COULD be possible for Neal to be bewitched by Tamara….As a Swanfire fan I would love for it to go down like that [For Neal to love ONLY Emma, and for Emma to break the curse with True Love’s Kiss]….BUT the more I think about it and analyse it, my hopes diminish: Tamara seems to REALLY want magic for her shady agenda, so maybe she does not have it yet …so maybe she cannot cast the curse….OR maybe she could have found someone else to make the magic for her…
¿Does Neal love Tamara? ¿Only allowed himself to try because he thought there was no hope for him and Emma?
I think Neal cares deeply for Tamara, because why would he propose to her if he did not? (Maybe he just thinks he cares because he is cursed). It is sad because he will be heartbroken when he gets to know the REAL Tamara and her cheating lying ways 😥 … But at the same time, I think it is not “true love”, her lies, and cheating proved it for me…it might be some sort of love/attraction, but it is not true…
I believe what he and Emma have is “true love”, and I think he is angry with himself and regrets everything that happened (I hope to get an apology scene soon!!), and like you mention lost all hope of ever seeing Emma again or having a chance with her because of his mistakes, like the writers have said “he thought that door was closed off for him”, so I truly believed when he “bumped” into Tamara, and started to like her, he thought this was his second chance at some sort of happiness, he was trying to move on with “her” lolz , but he will not be successful because I believe this: Even if Emma had not come back into his life, anyone he would have ended up with would be second best, he can never forget Emma because she is his true love….so even though time goes by, they move on and he is never able to be with her again as a couple, I believe he will always love her…I will support this until proven otherwise by the show… 😉 And I will HOPE for Swanfire in the future! =D
@astrawoid wrote:
I’m not sure if Neal really loves Tamara or if she cast a spell on him, made him drink a potion, or something sinister like that. I mean she has that crazy magical creature killing taser. So is it possible for her to have found some other magic to make Neal fall in love with her?
Or does Neal genuinely love her? And did Neal only allow himself to fall for her because he thought there was no hope for him and Emma?
I’d love to hear everyone’s thoughts/theories. 😀
EastOfTheSun makes a lot of good points that maybe Neal does genuinely love her even if it’s not the same kind of love that he feels for Emma.
I’m not sure what to think though right now. Well that’s not totally true because I believe that he’s under the curse of the empty-hearted. The only thing I’m not sure about is how Tamara was able to cast the spell if she’s not really magical. I’m not sure if I buy that she’s not magical though.
On one hand, she seems exactly like the kind of dangerous scientific/government outsider that Grumpy was talking about in Splash or E.T. that is evil and wants to capture the alien/magical creature for his/her own benefit so that he/she can get all the fame, glory, power, etc. However, she was able to see who Pinocchio really was and see magic turning him back into a boy, and she could obviously see the Dragon’s real form, so I’m not sure if she could have if she was non-magical or if she could as long as she believes in magic. Or it could be a plot hole that’s never answered completely. Like Greg can see Regina doing magic, but would he have been able to see August in his wooden form?
Plus, I tend to think she’s not from our world or perhaps descended from someone like the Dragon who is someone from a magical world but managed to realm jump here because I don’t know where she would get this obsession for wanting magic if she was just a normal person. I think her grandmother will turn out to be someone very important because there was so much focus about that, and it’s likely that she was Cinderella’s Fairy Godmother or perhaps related to her in some way since this would tie in with Rumple saying no one misses her. It would also give Tamara extra cause to want to really destroy Neal to get back at Rumple once she finds out Neal is Rumple’s son assuming she didn’t already find this out somewhere along the line.
Anyhow, I think Neal was acting very un-Neal like about how much he needed her that made me think that he was definitely under a curse of some kind, and I don’t think it was a coincidence that they just happened to introduce this idea of the “curse of the empty-hearted” last week even though before that they had said that making someone fall in love was something magic couldn’t do. They deliberately backtracked for a reason other than just last week’s episode since the curse was never used.
Also and I was really surprised by this, they really layed it on thick about how evil Tamara was. Before last week by following the spoilers I knew that she did have some kind of agenda, but I was definitely not expecting how evil they would already make her. Now I know why they didn’t show as many sneak peeks or tweet any new lines that weren’t from the sneak peeks because the majority of the episode was about how dark Tamara was. So if everything about her relationship with Neal is untrue based on what they showed the audience, it’s not hard for me to believe that his feelings for her aren’t real either and that she cursed him somehow.
As a SwanFire shipper, one of the few things I did love last night was about how I think they’re definitely showing that SwanFire is endgame now with the introduction of Tamara as the obstacle between Neal/Emma. (I know a lot of other shippers were upset by this because of how much hate there was about this episode especially in the SwanFire related tags on Tumblr, so it’s not just SwanFire shippers who are seeing this.) Anyhow, since I think that SwanFire is endgame along with Snowing and Rumbelle, I think the writers wanted to continue the parallels with them. So far Snowing and Rumbelle have had to or currently trying to overcome curses on them, and I think this is the writers way of doing that for SwanFire.
I am inclined to think that he doesn’t love her. From the last flashback in NY it looks like Neal really did wait 10 years for Emma. You don’t wait 10 years and then suddenly give it up for someone you just met. I don’t think she’s put in under a spell because I don’t think she has magic, but somehow she has made him think that they are deeply in love and it took Emma coming back for him to see that he’s not.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Neal met her immediately after saying to August that he didn’t think Emma would want to see him again, and August said maybe she would. Neal was crapping himself at the prospect of having another chance with Emma. Even though he’d waited so long for her, now the moment was upon him, he was apprehensive. And I can’t blame him because it was a terribly daunting situation to be in, and what if it didn’t work out. Couldn’t it perhaps just be better to leave things as they were rather than risk creating more heartache and end up hurting Emma all over again? Throwing himself into a relationship with Tamara meant he could justify not going to SB and facing Emma. I don’t think he’s under a spell, or in love, I just think he’s been kidding himself. But destiny has a way of catching up to you.
But destiny has a way of catching up to you.
Nealfire’s face when Emma sarcastically said “must have been fate” after Tamara told the story of how the met. FEELINGS. FEEL. INGS.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"@RumplesGirl wrote:
I am inclined to think that he doesn’t love her. From the last flashback in NY it looks like Neal really did wait 10 years for Emma. You don’t wait 10 years and then suddenly give it up for someone you just met. I don’t think she’s put in under a spell because I don’t think she has magic, but somehow she has made him think that they are deeply in love and it took Emma coming back for him to see that he’s not.
I think it’s possible that Tamara cast the empty-hearted curse on Neal. She may not be magical, but she did have the magic potion from the dragon. She was lying about having cancer, so we don’t yet know for what purpose she needed that potion. Maybe she was simply saving it for a “rainy day” when she realized Baelfire was her ticket to an even greater stash of magic, and so she bewitched him.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
@slurpeez108 wrote:
@RumplesGirl wrote:
I am inclined to think that he doesn’t love her. From the last flashback in NY it looks like Neal really did wait 10 years for Emma. You don’t wait 10 years and then suddenly give it up for someone you just met. I don’t think she’s put in under a spell because I don’t think she has magic, but somehow she has made him think that they are deeply in love and it took Emma coming back for him to see that he’s not.
I think it’s possible that Tamara cast the empty-hearted curse on Neal. She may not be magical, but she did have the magic potion from the dragon. She was lying about having cancer, so we don’t yet know for what purpose she needed to potion. Maybe she was simply saving it for a “rainy day” when she realized Baelfire was her ticket to an even greater stash of magic, and so she bewitched him.
Interesting. His “I need her!!” sounded rather desperate, and not the “I’m madly in love” kind of desperate but more the “I’m not allowed to be separated from her because I’m under a spell” kind of desperate.
And as far as needing magic: she would need viper’s eye and chimera blood. If they tried to tie her into Tiana from the Frog/Princess story (I literally can’t remember the name of the movie right now) then she could have access to magical potions from the two magical being that are in that movie. I wonder whose heart she took though, and that seems to be the biggest stumbling block. We haven’t even seen Regina take a heart in this land before magic came. I don’t even know if she could."He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Ok, here’s something that confuses me. To cast a curse, do they actually need the document it’s written on as part of the curse itself? Regina destroyed the parchment for the Curse of the Empty Hearted, and I doubt burning it symbolically would have had the same effect — if the parchment itself wasn’t needed, then she could just whip up another batch of potion (if she could remember it) and cast it anyway. Rumple remembered the ingredients, after all, so technically he could cast it at any time if he didn’t need the parchment. In the past, when Rumple wrote the curse, he applied “True Love” to the paper so that it could be broken, and when he was bound in Snow’s cell, they used the squid ink to do it, so it seems like the written instructions are part of the curse as well.
If that’s the case, then Tamara couldn’t have Neal under the Curse of the Empty Hearted, but I wonder if the writers would go in that direction and give her access to something else — maybe something she stole a potion that does the same thing from another magic man or something? A little Love Potion #9, so to speak…
Revision: I was sort of thinking of this a minute ago, but remembered some other stuff. “Love Potion #9” was an early 90s movie with Sandra Bullock where these two scientists experiment on a love potion the guy gets from a gypsy.
The first thing Tamara wanted to do was experiment and test the potion she got from the Dragon, and Greg Mendel is the name of a scientist. I can’t recall what thread it was in, but someone mentioned something about GOAT (yes, I love that!) combining magic and science, which is what Dr Frankenstein/Whale did. His reanimation scheme wouldn’t work until he had the enchanted heart, so maybe that’s what Tamara did to bewitch Neal — used some scientific “attraction perfume” or whatever and then supercharged it with the magic potion.
I admit I am a SwanFire Fan but that said I think it was quite obvious last night that from not only when Neal first told Emma about Hook and then Tamara coming to Storybrooke the look on his face when he realized that him telling Emma he needed Tamara showed instant regret because he still wants her back deep down, he looked at Emma & then down when Henry asked how he & Tamara met. If he truly loved Tamara I would think he would want to tell Henry how they had met irregardless of Emma being there, but no it was Tamara who told the story. Which told me that Neal still loves Emma. Even after Emma & Henry left Neal’s and those two talked and when we now know she pretended not believe everything Neal was telling her; it was even clear to Tamara that Neal still loved Emma but couldn’t say it.
Do I think Neal is under a spell yes I do. Personally I think it could very well be The Curse Of The Empty Hearted. That specifically named curse was mentioned for reason last week by Rumple. I honestly think that she could have cast that curse on Neal herself or had someone else do it for her. It was very obvious throughout the episode that Neal was the innocent one in all this. Ultimately I think it will be Rumple’s, Emma’s & Henry’s love for Neal and his love for his son Henry and that love he has for Emma & Rumple that he seems to have buried deep inside that will ultimately save him and his family for whatever evil Tamara & Greg have planned for Storybrooke.
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