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@slurpeez108 wrote:
According to OUAT creators, Rumple is neither fully evil nor fully good, but has “shades of gray”:
http://www.tvline.com/2012/02/spoilers-greys-anatomy-castle-criminal-minds/#more-305136 Also, the title of episode 19 is “The Return” and one has to ask, “Who's going to return?”. My theory is that it'll be Rumple's son. Plus, I read that Belle is going to be in the season finale. Might we see Rumple/Mr. Gold risking all to save her from Regina?
That’s always how I’ve thought of Rumple. Like HRG from Heroes, in season 1.
😯 I'm excited for the finale now.
[adrotate group="5"](5- action is evil, total because it was meant to harm others)
(4- self serving, interferes with others lives, action did not cause harm)I think it’s interesting to bring back this thread. Three seasons ago, I wouldn’t consider evil. But that was three seasons ago.
Based on his recent actions though, I’d say evil, definitely self-serving and apathetic. He knows that he’s bad, done bad things and doesn’t appear to have any remorse about it.
I’m the biggest Rumple fan there is. Â Love Bobby, love Rumple since season one, but I’m beginning to dislike everyone, especially Rumple….and that’s scary for me to admit. Â Granny is about the only one left I have no issues with. Â *sigh*
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I think the problem with Rumple is that it’s not entirely clear on screen what is he ultimately after.
He wants to free himself if the dagger (that’s totally understandable); Belle would understand that. But he’s trying to do it in a way where he still has power. And there’s been very few interviews this season about what he’s after, which further adds to the confusion.
Its difficult in general to feel sympathy for him when he continually digs himself dagger. He’s sabotaging his own happy ending with Belle. And he promised at the start of the season to honor Neal. Neal can’t be happy in the afterlife about what his papa has done.
Neal can’t be happy in the afterlife about what his papa has done.
Neal is rolling over in his grave and trying to find a way to claw his way out to throttle his papa. Neal would write Rumple off for all of time for trying to suck Emma into that hat
Resurrecting this thread…so I guess I’ll speak.
See I’m like Jo. We all know I’m a HUGE Rumple fan. HUGE. But right now…I don’t know who this man on my screen is.
He wants to free himself from the dagger but…why. Why now? Is it because he is so messed up post-Zelena? Then say that! Is he trying to bring back Nealfire? Then say that! I need a reason why all of a sudden plot device hat makes him the most evil man on the planet.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"He wants to free himself from the dagger but…why. Why now? Is it because he is so messed up post-Zelena? Then say that! Is he trying to bring back Nealfire? Then say that! I need a reason why all of a sudden plot device hat makes him the most evil man on the planet.
I get the impression that the reason we don’t know further details why is because once again the writers are trying to stretch a plotline out. They want us on the seat of our pants waiting to find out, but perhaps they underestimate how impatient this fandom can be. We want to know Rumple’s full plans and motivation NOW for the sake of understanding his character, but the writers feel like waiting for the right opportunity.
I think Rumple is evil, because he believes he’s evil, and that’s partly the influence of the Dark One Curse.
But he DOES show a sadistic pleasure in hurting and killing anyone he believes has wronged him (or those he loves). He does enjoy demonstrating his power over other people. We understand that it’s at least in part due to the fact that he was oppressed, outcast, and abandoned in his pre-DO days, which makes it easier to sympathize even in those moments when he truly crosses a line. (And there are a lot of those and I still love that stupid imp.) (I mean, if you can forgive him for snailing strangers & slaughtering his mute maid & killing his first wife & toying with killing Henry & beating his future father-in-law over a cup whose meaning the poor man couldn’t have the slightest clue about…sucking Emma into a hat when she’s actively begging for it is kinda low on the Evil scale…)
And it’s important to remember that to gain the DO power, one has to face his dark side and give in to it. That’s what we got from 404–he didn’t turn away when Zoso dared him to kill him. He committed murder BEFORE the curse. That’s how he got it. (Oh, and arson.)
Rumple is not an innocent man at all, from that moment forward. It’s true that when Zelena was controlling him, he wasn’t 100% responsible for his actions (which include threatening the life of a 5 year old, another dark line–hurting kids even in theory is a big one for me–and the way that played it seemed like it was his taking advantage of an opportunity to accomplish what Zelena demanded rather than her telling him to threaten the kid). But as he said to Belle in 320, he had done a lot of awful things before then. Even since being free of Zelena’s control, he’s killed two people that we’ve seen, and very nearly killed a third. And he’s certainly intending to kill Hook.
Those are all evil acts, even if his ultimate goal with the hat is understandable (freedom? definitely understandable after what he’s been through. A way to protect Belle? A way to bring back Nealfire? I’m still hoping there’s more than just POWER.)
And I think Rumple would be the first to admit that he’s evil. He as much as did in his speech to Emma before leaving her to the hat. He also doesn’t believe he’s capable of changing, or of going back to the good man that Bae and Belle believed he could be.
I think perhaps that’s part of what make Rumple fascinating and a little endearing; he owns his evil, but he’s not happy about being evil (though he does enjoy having the power he felt he was denied for his first 40-50 years of life). Even in the moments when he seems to get the most pleasure from his evil acts, like when he takes Hook’s heart, it’s a sort of crazed pleasure. Part of him wants to be a good person and a hero; he just doesn’t believe he can, so he gives into the darkness. We saw that outright in Lacey–the way he gives up when Lacey declares she doesn’t want to be with him, and gives in to his frustrations…and then when she’s like, ooh, power, he’s like, okay, cool, shrugs, and goes right back into beating Keith. That shrug there where he just gives up on being good…twice…that’s what I heard echoed in his speech to Emma where he talks about how all the good he ever did just got undone.
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Rumple has always been an enigma, a person of puzzling and contradictory character. He speaks in riddles, and his intent is often not clear.
However, last week Rumple’s intent was crystal clear in his conversation with Hook. “You’re my puppet now. You’re going to find another way to fill that hat with the power it needs. And then I’m going to kill you.”
There was no mistaking Rumple’s intent as he said the words “and then I’m going to kill you” He said those words with hatred and vicious evil seething from his soul. His face snarled with viciousness.
Getting the hat, filling the hat, whatever, that’s what he needs to do to free himself from the dagger. But, Killing Hook is what he wants to do, as an afterthought, for pleasure. To please his evil appetite for revenge.
No, he has to kill Hook, as he needs his heart for the final step of freeing himself from the dagger.
But yes, he’s going to enjoy it. Hook humiliated him when he was powerless, took his wife (caveat, yes, Milah had agency in that choice, but he already killed her for leaving his son motherless), and then tried to kill Belle and nearly killed him, too. He only let Hook live because he had other priorities going on to distract him, and then he needed Hook to save Henry so they made a truce.
And as I said, he DOES take a sadistic pleasure in demonstrating his ultimate power over those he believes wronged him. Hook has wronged him repeatedly; there is no love lost between the two men. (Has he wronged Hook? Oh yeah. Where’s the Rumple gif for that? You know the one I mean.)
Keeper of Belle's Gold magic, sand dollar, cloaks, purple FTL outfit, spell scroll, library key, copy of Romeo and Juliet, and cry-muffling pillow, Rumple's doll, overcoat, and strength, and The Timeline. My spreadsheet: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6r8CySCCWd9R0RUNm4xR3RhMEU/view?usp=sharing
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