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I pretty much wrote this in another thread, but Rumple is pretty much as grey as you get. He’s not good or evil, he wants power and doesn’t care who has has to work with, or who he steps on to get that. I think he’s counting the days until Belle gives up on him. She’s already having doubts (mirror). She is his last chance at redemption, esp with Neal out of the picture. Regardless of how earnest he was at Neal’s grave, that was *before* he found the hat again. Everything he wanted to do, to be a better man for his son, for his wife, went out the window when he saw his chance of more power, the chance to free himself from the dagger.
Also, I don’t think the ‘wife-stealing’ or Belle attacks are the reason Rumple wants to revenge himself on Hook. I’ve thought the deep pleasure he’s getting playing with Hook is because Hook stole the bean, and therefore his first chance to follow Bae. Had the bean been in Hook’s hand when he cut it off he would have had Bae back 200 years ago. This man made Rumple wait two centuries to see his son. He got revenge for the ‘wife-stealing’ by killing said wife. He got to beat Hook for the Belle attacks (Belle stopped Rumple from killing him). I think the deep seated hate comes from the bean betrayal. Anyway, I digress.
So I must be the only one who really likes what they’re doing with Rumple’s character. I totally understand why he wants to get rid of his dagger and keep his power. Is it not enough that he just wants to free himself from the dagger’s control? Does there have to be a ‘bigger’ reason? He was Zelena’s puppet all though S3B, during that time he lost his son and never got a proper chance to grieve. Belle tried to use the dagger on him, the one person who he thought never would. All of a sudden he finds the hat box again and here’s his chance. He wants his cake and to eat it too. He no longer has Neal to keep him on the straight and narrow. Belle usually does a pretty good job of curbing Rumple’s homicidal instincts, but she’s not Neal and blood is thicker than water. Belle has to beg/plea to get Rumple to listen to her, Neal just had to ask/tell him. Rumple’s been doing this for hundreds of years. Kicking a power addiction after that long must be a hard habit to break, especially since all he knew before was ridicule and abandonment. Why would he want to go back to that? Much easier to slip back into the ways he knows, even if it means risking Belle.
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Count me in the Evil group. To me, Rumple’s actions are completely consistent with the character he’s always been.
To me, rumple has always been a supremely selfish and weak man, long before the curse. I think the spinsters who took him in doted too much on him and taught him to be self pitying and focused on his feelings.
Abandoning your comrades in arms on a battlefield is still a capital offence in the US. There is good reason for that. Every man on the battlefield is afraid. Almost every man has a loved one they want to live for. Rumple was in no way unique among his comrades. Each man needs to know that his brother in arm will be there for him. Otherwise there is a complete breakdown in morale. Rumple was not a contentious objector; the men were fighting for the survival of their town/families. We saw that the fighting kept coming closer to his hovel. Rumple wanted the benefit of the protection that the army/his community offered without any of the obligations. That is not acceptable when others are dying. I would shun a coward like Rumple. I won’t be nasty about it, but I would not want have anything to do with him. A person shouldn’t get the benefits of being part of a town if he is not willing to do his part.
You can argue that the duke could have stopped the war, but that doesn’t excuse Rumple for abandoning his post. He was supremely selfish in that moment, but not quite evil yet.
You can feel sympathy for how Rumple was treated when he was being shunned. The truth is I felt sympathy for him, but like the kid who was bullied or abused as a child and becomes a stone cold killer — well the sob story doesn’t excuse his bad behaviour. Not every kid who was bullied or abused turns into a killer. However, I feel that his backstory helps the audience understand rumple.
rumple wanted the dagger and the power of the dark one. He wasn’t tricked into committing arson or even killing his predecessor. He intended those acts. The seer and his dark predecessor saw his weakness, saw his darkness. As noted by others, others, rumple killed the maid, killed the guards, killed the poor guy who he turned into a snail. It was implied that he killed others by Bae in the episode about the pied piper.
After abandoning Bae, he messed with people who had nothing to do with setting his curse in action, like Ingrid and her sisters. He could have stopped the ogres in Belles dukedom, but like the Duke his predecessor served, he wasn’t going to do it because it was the right thing to do. Getting Belle did not serve his find Bae mission. He killed Milah and maimed Hook and it had nothing to do with finding Bae. Milah and hook offered rumple a deal that would have given him a bean; he wanted vengeance more than a way to his son.
He set up many of the people so they had no choice but to go to him. I am pretty sure he is behind the drink that rendered King George’s infertile. He killed Cinderella’s fairy godmother. He made it so Regina would go dark. Rumple wants to corrupt others. He likes breaking down others so he can feel better about himself. That is what he is doing to Hook. He wants to drag Hook down to his level, so he can feel superior.
If rumple really wants to be free from the dark one’s curse, belle can give him the true love kiss. What Rumple really wants is to free any limitations so he can do whatever he wants without regard to anyone else’s safety or well being.
having said all that, i like Rumple as the magnificent bad guy that he is. It keeps the story interesting.
Keeper of Hook and Emma's smoldering first kiss, a certain Pirate's sauciness, the Evil Queen's snarkiness, Grumpy's gruffness and a drop of true love to make it all go down smooth.
He wants to free himself from the dagger but…why. Why now? Is it because he is so messed up post-Zelena? Then say that! Is he trying to bring back Nealfire? Then say that! I need a reason why all of a sudden plot device hat makes him the most evil man on the planet.
I get the impression that the reason we don’t know further details why is because once again the writers are trying to stretch a plotline out. They want us on the seat of our pants waiting to find out, but perhaps they underestimate how impatient this fandom can be. We want to know Rumple’s full plans and motivation NOW for the sake of understanding his character, but the writers feel like waiting for the right opportunity.
That’s possible. It’s just ….frustrating to not get anything. Think back to S1.
108: we learn that how he became the Dark One with regards to Bae.
117: We learn that he let Bae go.
That’s a lot of time in between but because they had hinted at there being more to the story of Rumple and Bae we could speculate and talk about it and get to understand his character even though they were stretching out the plot.
My big question is : what’s next??
He cleaves (sweet heaven, how many more times can they use that word this season) himself from the dagger and then…what??? What comes next?? Does he leave SB? Does he continue to be Mr. Gold living with Belle and running his shop? What is the end game ?
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I think that he was neutral seasons1-4, halfway through 5 because he usually just did things for “best interests” and the “greater good” but as the new season (6) progresses, we are being exposed to a side of him that isn’t funny, sly, or witty, but rather just a jack***. He used to be fun to watch, as he kept the plot going, but now it feels as if he is a true b.s. antagonist.
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