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March 4, 2013 at 5:51 pm #176964jacobpotteroncerParticipant
Interesting theory, but I don’t think so. It would make sense it a lot of ways, but I think he just put the protection on his pawn shop because he was leaving town and didn’t want anyone breaking in.
[adrotate group="5"]March 4, 2013 at 5:54 pm #176968RumplesGirlKeymasterThere are many many things in Gold’s shop that I think the baddies could use against people. Cora and Regina HAVE the dagger now. So why break into Gold’s shop??
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"March 4, 2013 at 8:09 pm #177041SlurpeezParticipant@RumplesGirl wrote:
There are many many things in Gold’s shop that I think the baddies could use against people. Cora and Regina HAVE the dagger now. So why break into Gold’s shop??
Yeah, that is still my lingering question. Why did Gold cast a protection spell over his pawn shop in the first place? Also why would Cora and Regina bother breaking into Rumple’s shop if they have the real blade? Ok, so I know this theory has basically been debunked by now, but just maybe it’s salvageable. As the dark one, Rumple easily could’ve created a magical decoy dagger with his name on it. The spoiler from The Miller’s Daughter was that Rumple's name starts to disappear from the blade as he dies, suggesting it is real. Yet, perhaps it’s not the authentic dagger, because it doesn’t control the Dark One, which is why Cora and Regina break into the shop when they realize it’s a fake. Or maybe not and I’m reading way too much into this.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
March 4, 2013 at 8:12 pm #177042RumplesGirlKeymaster@slurpeez108 wrote:
@RumplesGirl wrote:
There are many many things in Gold’s shop that I think the baddies could use against people. Cora and Regina HAVE the dagger now. So why break into Gold’s shop??
Yeah, that is still my lingering question. Why did Gold cast a protection spell over his pawn shop in the first place? Also why would Cora and Regina bother breaking into Rumple’s shop if they have the real blade? Ok, so I know this theory has basically been debunked by now, but just maybe it’s salvageable. As the dark one, Rumple could’ve created a decoy dagger with his name on it. The spoiler from The Miller’s Daughter was that Rumple's name starts to disappear from the blade as he dies. Yet, it’s not the authentic dagger, because it doesn’t control the Dark One, which is why Cora and Regina break into the shop when they realize it’s a fake. Or maybe not and I’m reading way too much into this.
What if Gold is hiding in his shop. We know the Charmings and SwanFire are in the shop when Cora and Regina break in. I think they're after Gold to kill him, and he's in his shop trying to put together a potion to stop the poison.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"March 4, 2013 at 8:14 pm #177043SlurpeezParticipant@RumplesGirl wrote:
@slurpeez108 wrote:
@RumplesGirl wrote:
There are many many things in Gold’s shop that I think the baddies could use against people. Cora and Regina HAVE the dagger now. So why break into Gold’s shop??
Yeah, that is still my lingering question. Why did Gold cast a protection spell over his pawn shop in the first place? Also why would Cora and Regina bother breaking into Rumple’s shop if they have the real blade? Ok, so I know this theory has basically been debunked by now, but just maybe it’s salvageable. As the dark one, Rumple could’ve created a decoy dagger with his name on it. The spoiler from The Miller’s Daughter was that Rumple's name starts to disappear from the blade as he dies. Yet, it’s not the authentic dagger, because it doesn’t control the Dark One, which is why Cora and Regina break into the shop when they realize it’s a fake. Or maybe not and I’m reading way too much into this.
What if Gold is hiding in his shop. We know the Charmings and SwanFire are in the shop when Cora and Regina break in. I think they're after Gold to kill him, and he's in his shop trying to put together a potion to stop the poison.
Maybe. But if Cora has the real blade in her possession now, all she’d have to do is summon Rumple by name and he’d come, because he’d have been enslaved by the dark magic of the knife. So, there’d be no point in breaking through the protection barrier and fighting the Charmings and Baelfire. If Cora wanted them dead, she’d just order Rumple to do it.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
March 4, 2013 at 8:18 pm #177044RumplesGirlKeymasterMaybe. But if Cora has the real blade in her possession now, all she’d have to do is summon Rumple by name and he’d come, because he’d have been enslaved by the dark magic of the knife. So, there’d be no point in breaking through the protection barrier and fighting the Charmings and Baelfire. If Cora wanted them dead, she’d just order Rumple to do it.
Oh gosh. That’s right. *sigh* It’s only Monday.
Maybe there is something else inside the shop Cora thinks she needs. Like the candle? If the candle has that much power over life and death, I’d want it in my possession too."He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"March 5, 2013 at 1:57 am #177192playaritaParticipantIn this thread it was brought up on how the name on the blade is spelled incorrectly. I don’t think the props department would do this accidentally. So as I posted before I think the dagger is a fake in that because Zoso perceived the name to be Rumplestiltskin rather than Rumpelstiltskin then Rumple can’t be controlled or summoned. I have ready in other books (Charles De Lint) that there is power in a name and Rumple’s fairytale is about the power of names and then there’s Emma.
So the spoiler could be that Cora realizes that he was able to circumvent one part of the curse but could not escape or cheat death.
March 5, 2013 at 3:06 am #177202KebParticipantIt can’t be spelled incorrectly–it’s his true name. Fairytales predate standardized spelling (even moreso when you count the fact that we’re translating many of them from other languages), so there may be more than one historical spelling for a name. But it’s spelled right.
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March 5, 2013 at 4:32 am #177220MatthewPaulModeratorBarbara Barnett, who has already seen “The Miller's Daughter”, mentioned on her online radio show today that she can say with full authority that was the real dagger they found.
March 5, 2013 at 10:48 am #177277tombo671Participant@ItachiIshtar wrote:
Barbara Barnett, who has already seen “The Miller's Daughter”, mentioned on her online radio show today that she can say with full authority that was the real dagger they found.
Okay, so the theory is scrapped then.
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