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@Gypsy wrote:
As opposed to Snow and Charming as Emma’s parents?
Lol! Good point….but we know why that is the way it is.
They said OUATinWL was a stand alone show, so, to so closely intertwine them like that, it would seem that we would have to tune in to OUATinWL to get the backstory of a character that originated on OUAT.Stand alone yet with crossovers timeline wise and character wise. But they’d have to time travel (I think) in order to make Alice’s sister Jefferson’s wife if Alice herself is set in Victorian England (but somehow the promo shows Granny’s diner). Ow. My head.
I feel like OUATinWL is a giant mystery right now.[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Hmm, interesting points have been brought up! Hat’s rules are the same # that goes in must go out, not necessarily 2 but the same number. We’ve seen it be 2 twice now, but that is a very good question about who went through with Jefferson to get Frankenstein as we clearly saw Rumple, Frankenstein, and Jefferson all in the EF together (I love that shot people keep saying is begging to be an album cover!). It implies that an extra person was used along the way and it would work with the timeline as far as Grace’s age is concerned for it to have been her mother.
I too thought that we would find that Alice was the mother but with the spinoff that seems highly unlikely so I like the idea of the aunt! Alice’s sister never had a name in the book I don’t think. I like the idea of somebody tag-teaming with Jefferson so another realm-jumper would be cool. With SS’s busy schedule I doubt we’ll learn anytime soon ( 🙁 ) but I definitely want to find out eventually.
Jefferson did heavily imply (or maybe stated, I honestly don’t remember cause it feels like ages since we’ve seen him now) that he lost Grace’s mother because of his job so I hope that’s something we find out more about.
The only woman we’ve seen that has some connection to WL but we don’t know much about said connection is Jack and I seriously doubt that she’s connected to Jefferson. If she is, they left that dangling for the distant future when they could get SS back because she hinted at WL connections but we haven’t seen or heard of her since.
I really want to see the hat room again! It holds so many possibilities and the spare hat is still in existence *somewhere* – it wasn’t magical when Emma made it but that was when magic didn’t exist in SB, it might work now and we haven’t seen it at all!
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
Jefferson did heavily imply (or maybe stated, I honestly don’t remember cause it feels like ages since we’ve seen him now) that he lost Grace’s mother because of his job so I hope that’s something we find out more about.
He does say that Grace lost her mother, but the problem is the ambiguity of the word “lost.” Like “undoing” it could mean several things.
Evil Queen: Yes, I heard you hung up your hat. Why? Is it because of your sweet daughter Grace?
Jefferson: Because of my work, she lost her mother. I don’t want her to lose her father, too.
The only woman we’ve seen that has some connection to WL but we don’t know much about said connection is Jack and I seriously doubt that she’s connected to Jefferson. If she is, they left that dangling for the distant future when they could get SS back because she hinted at WL connections but we haven’t seen or heard of her since.
Ugh. I hope not. I disliked her quite a lot. She was a disgrace to the name Jacquelyn!
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"If you go to the 1st page you can see the hat rooms.
Jefferson partner could have been Jack after all she had the stuff to shrink the Gaint.
@RumplesGirl wrote:
Ugh. I hope not. I disliked her quite a lot. She was a disgrace to the name Jacquelyn!
Yeah I wasn’t too fond of her myself but loved seeing the actress in something (she was Tess on Smallville). It didn’t occur to me til the other day when I rewatched Tallahassee that all of the bad things that happened to Anton were because of Emma’s uncle & his lousy girlfriend – somehow I never think of him as such, just as Charming’s evil twin, but it really does all boil down to Emma’s family.
To be fair we only saw the end of her and maybe she was once a lot better but turned villainous. I feel like they left a few threads hanging in case they want to revisit her at some point (like they did with Lancelot too who I’m hoping to see again as well – way too many extra threads we never got answers to) but I hope she isn’t actually connected to Jefferson, just WL in general.
I agree that the wording of “lost” is debatable, especially since we’ve seen things like “gone” and “undoing” before as well. Wording is (usually) very important on the show so it could mean any of a number of things. Jefferson “lost” her because of his job but for all we know he used her as a placeholder while he brought someone else back to the EF and then the world she was left in lost its magic and therefore he couldn’t get back to her through his typical means of travel. Or it could mean that something bad happened to her wherever she was before he could get back in time. Or it could mean a whole lot of other things we’ve never thought to think of! *head hurts now*
As for seeing the hat again, I mostly meant in the show so that we learn more about it officially. We can study the pics til we’re blue in the face, and while I think we’ve come up with a lot of great ideas and narrowed some of the doors down, we’re still blindly guessing on a lot of stuff relating to the hat. I’d really love to hear more from Jefferson and/or see somebody else (like Emma) think of the other hat and try to use it. It would certainly be interesting to see somebody new walk into that room and ask questions (sounds like a perfect job for Emma actually) but we won’t get that for awhile because of NL and SS’s schedule as he would likely need to be included but since they’ve set up at least the first part of S3 I think there’s time to wait for those things to align so we can get some more answers.
Some of the doors are more obvious than others and some worlds we know exist and apparently have magic (as per Jefferson being able to travel there) have more than 1 possible door that would make sense (I think it’s Door 2 & Door 7 that look like they could be the land without color?) – the only ones I feel pretty positive about are WL and Oz (maybe if they have to travel to Oz sometime (maybe soon??) we’ll get to see it again! *crosses fingers*
On the bright side we can cross-reference a little bit, going off of worlds we’ve heard of within the OUAT version of things that we know have magic and where Jefferson has gone etc. Worlds without magic seem to be through bean-on-ground portal transportation, and so far it looks like Neverland = bean in water, as we’ve seen 3 times now (once in the Crocodile, twice in ASOTM – the globe said that Henry was taken to NL and they definitely threw that bean in the water).
Magic transportation is certainly a head-spinning experience! Just when you think you’ve got one angle figured out, another possibility throws a wrench into things. I hadn’t even thought it weird that Rumple, Jefferson, AND Frankenstein were all in 1 place – at the end of that only Jefferson & Frankenstein jumped into the hat which makes you question how Jefferson got back after that, as well as what series of events led to Rumple being in the land without color…and then bringing back both him and frankenstein with Jefferson…and then…ahhhh make the spinning stop!
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
Wouldn’t it be kind of funny if Bae was Jefferson partner remember Bae made a comment about that pizza maybe it was a joke maybe not. 😉
Back when I was 100% convinced of Nealfire Pan, I thought Bae went to WL at one point and met Jefferson that way. Ah..the days of Nealfire Pan.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Think I’m the only person who never expected Alice to be Grace’s mother. It’s because I’ve always hoped we’d get Alice meeting Jefferson at the Mad Hatter’s Tea Party, which had to have happened after he’d gone nuts, which happened after he’d left Grace in FTL.
@Gypsy wrote:
Grace’s mother, maybe? Was she his partner when they needed two to go to a world, she would wait in that world until say, Jefferson and Victor returned and then her and Jefferson would leave Victor in his world and retun together to EF? She got stuck in LWC? Could that be what Jefferson meant when he said Grace lost her mother beause of his job?
Nice idea! Hopefully they can get Sebastian back at some point to tell more of Jefferson’s back story.
@RumplesGirl wrote:
@Gypsy wrote:
They said OUATinWL was a stand alone show, so, to so closely intertwine them like that, it would seem that we would have to tune in to OUATinWL to get the backstory of a character that originated on OUAT.
Stand alone yet with crossovers timeline wise and character wise. But they’d have to time travel (I think) in order to make Alice’s sister Jefferson’s wife if Alice herself is set in Victorian England (but somehow the promo shows Granny’s diner). Ow. My head.
I feel like OUATinWL is a giant mystery right now.Oh bugger, a whole new t-word to try and wrap my head around. 😕 Anyway, yes, the OUATinWL promo definitely has what looks to be a scene in Granny’s Diner, so there is obviously gonna be some direct overlapping. And Beverly Elliot hinted on Twitter that she may be making an appearance in the spinoff.
@NeilfromKentucky wrote:
13 is totally Star Wars!! 😀 hehe jk
Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory – Door #13
I don’t know but I thought they said they weren’t going to do Star War ❓
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