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Cue “quiet minds” in which Bae, now desperate to get back to his own son, throws all caution to the wind and risks everything. As Belle points out, he makes the same mistake his father made. And in doing so, he finally truly understands him.
He already understood and had forgiven his father by the end of S3A, and Rumple knew it. It wasn’t necessary to have him resort to something his father had done, in order to establish that he accepted and understood him. Having him resort to dark magic so thoughtlessly was completely out of character, given what we’d seen of him previously and his entire life experience.
And he knows that Emma will tell Henry that Neal died a hero.
This time it is true.Neal was already a hero multiple times over. He was a hero when he was willing to give up the only world he knew, in a bid to save his father’s soul. He was a hero when he gave himself over to the Shadow to protect the Darlings. He was a hero when he let go of Emma’s hand over the portal so that Henry wouldn’t lose them both at the same time. He was a hero when he returned to NL on a mission to save his son. It was completely unnecessary to give him a heroic death as a means to establish that he was heroic. Henry with his memories was perfectly well aware that his dad was an awesome guy, he didn’t need Emma telling his amnesiac self, “Take my word for it, he was a good guy,” after his father is gone. What he needed was for them to find a way to bring his memories back, so that he and his awesome, heroic dad could be reunited, instead of leaving Henry fatherless, just like his father and grandfather before him had been, and so the hopeless cycle of the Stiltskin clan continues for another generation.
[adrotate group="5"]i love Phee posts. I feel the same way . Hopefully I will learn to see it like Sherezade, but I am not sure.
Heros don't get their Happy Ending!
i love Phee posts. I feel the same way . Hopefully I will learn to see it like Sherezade, but I am not sure.
I completely understand wanting to mourn the death of a beloved character tiara. Trust me, a lot of tissues were used in my house the past few days (and not just because I’m having a terrible cold). Neal’s death is sad and I don’t want to take away from that. Just wanted to offer a bit of a different perspective. The one that I see. And that one is certainly full of hope.
Thank you Phee, for taking the time to respond to what I wrote. I understand your viewpoints even though they’re a bit different from mine.
And thank you surayya and PriceofMagic for your encouraging comments. Posting for the first time is always a bit scary and you definitely made me feel welcome. 🙂
For me, yes the show is definately still about hope. I think that all along A and E have been trying to show through the use of Fairy Tale characters that have been misunderstood and misrepresented, that there is really no such thing as a Fairy Tale existance even though we all think there is that one perfect elusive fairy tale life out there for us if we could just find a way to get to it. Being someone myself who has definately NOT had a fairy tale life I have learned that just because my life isn’t a fairy tale and some really crappy things have happened doesn’t mean that some really GREAT things haven’t also happened. And at almost 42 years old I can honestly say that the when I look back at my life some of the BEST experiences that allowed me to grow and become a better person and led to great happiness in my life were things that were literally disasters and horrible tragedies at the time they happened. And if I hadn’t experienced those horrible things I wouldn’t be who I am today. Sometimes it takes seeing what the bigger picture is to understand why something that seems horrible might actually help you in some way later on. That’s why I trust what A and E are doing. They know the “big picture” in their head – I don’t. So something that might not make sense to me at the moment might make sense when everything had been wrapped up.
Hello everyone. I’ve never posted to these forums before…………. Life can be harsh and unfair, but hope and love shine through in even the most unlikely of places. And it’s these moments that make everything worthwhile, worth fighting for. That’s what this show is about for me and I can’t wait to see where it will take us next.
Hear Hear!! and Agree Agree!! with all that 🙂 If this was your first post Sheharazade, you need to get out of hiding and into the habit of writing more posts please. Loved reading your view, it was very well put.
Just because one innocent dies mean the hope of the show is dead? Sorry, but no. Tragedy still happens, nor should it be sugarcoated just because its a show about fairy tales. And I very much disagree that Neal’s death means no happy endings for Emma, Henry, and Rumple. If you’re going by that logic, let’s see:
1. Regina can never have a happy ending because she already lost Daniel and both of her parents? Of course not. She found a new love in her adopted son Henry, and will find yet another new love in Robin Hood. Franken-Daniel even told Regina to “love again.”
2. Snow and Charming can never have a happy ending because they lost their parents? She found Charming and has since had Emma. While unfortunately she was robbed the opportunity of raising Emma, she’ll still get to be with her while also getting ready for a new baby.
3. Robin Hood and Roland can never have a happy ending because they lost Marian? No, Robin even said that his son gave him something to continue living for and loving and he will eventually get together with Regina.
What makes losing Neal so very different? Losing people has been a part of nature since the beginning and it exists in fiction just as much. Heck, Disney films kill off parental figures so often. Bambi’s mom and Mufasa are among the most iconic deaths in cinematic history. Of course you’ll never truly get over those loses, but that doesn’t mean you still can’t find a happy ending. It just won’t be the happy ending you originally had in mind. After all, “happy endings aren’t always what you expect.” Not saying they’ll get over those deaths, but they won’t spend the rest of their lives in misery either. After all, is that what our departed loved ones would want of us? To forever mourn and remain miserable till its our time to leave too? Did we learn nothing from when Regina tried to bury her heart and put herself under a sleeping curse? Neal even told Emma to promise him that she’ll find “Tallahassee”, even if it’s not with him, during his final moments. As for Rumple, yes he did lose the very son he’s been looking for over hundreds of years, but the two came to a complete understanding. I always felt that was the core of Rumple and Bae’s story: coming to that understanding and forgiving each other. Rumple will of course still have Belle, not to mention his grandson. It will never be the same without Bae in his life, but that doesn’t mean he shouldn’t be allowed to explore those other loves. From the beginning of this second half of the Season, I knew that the idea of finding love again would be a major theme. I get that people need to mourn, but I’m not going to view this as all gloomy and depressing for the rest of the series. Life’s too short. Could his demise been handled a lot better? Pretty sure all of us agree on that one, but that’s a discussion on its own that’s worn itself out.
I get that people need to mourn, but I’m not going to view this as all gloomy and depressing for the rest of the series. Life’s too short.
I have remained pretty quiet as of late–which is not like me. But it’s how I want to handle my grief.
But I just want to address this point.
You are well within your rights to not want to be gloomy and depressing for the rest of the series. That is you personal subjective viewpoint.
But the people who are upset by this are also well within their right be so. If they see this as the death of the show, as the end of something they love and held dear, that is THEIR personal subjective viewpoint. And they should be welcome to it, just as you are yours.
For the most part (I will not say altogether because I know it is not true) the gloom has been isolated to one thread–the SF thread. The shipping thread rule still stands: if you go into a shipping thread, be prepared not to like what you see. But what they are posting is just how they feel. And no amount of rationalization posts or attempts at getting them to see a different viewpoint, is going to change that. In fact, it’s making them more angry.
I’m sure the anger will quiet down but it must play out. People must be allowed to say how they feel right now. And if they are keeping it isolated to one thread (for the most part) then I don’t see why it’s a big deal.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I get that people need to mourn, but I’m not going to view this as all gloomy and depressing for the rest of the series. Life’s too short.
I have remained pretty quiet as of late–which is not like me. But it’s how I want to handle my grief. But I just want to address this point. You are well within your rights to not want to be gloomy and depressing for the rest of the series. That is you personal subjective viewpoint. But the people who are upset by this are also well within their right be so. If they see this as the death of the show, as the end of something they love and held dear, that is THEIR personal subjective viewpoint. And they should be welcome to it, just as you are yours. For the most part (I will not say altogether because I know it is not true) the gloom has been isolated to one thread–the SF thread. The shipping thread rule still stands: if you go into a shipping thread, be prepared not to like what you see. But what they are posting is just how they feel. And no amount of rationalization posts or attempts at getting them to see a different viewpoint, is going to change that. In fact, it’s making them more angry. I’m sure the anger will quiet down but it must play out. People must be allowed to say how they feel right now. And if they are keeping it isolated to one thread (for the most part) then I don’t see why it’s a big deal.
Agree with all of this ^^^
"We were happy."
"Because... it was born out of true love."I get that people need to mourn, but I’m not going to view this as all gloomy and depressing for the rest of the series. Life’s too short.
I have remained pretty quiet as of late–which is not like me. But it’s how I want to handle my grief. But I just want to address this point. You are well within your rights to not want to be gloomy and depressing for the rest of the series. That is you personal subjective viewpoint. But the people who are upset by this are also well within their right be so. If they see this as the death of the show, as the end of something they love and held dear, that is THEIR personal subjective viewpoint. And they should be welcome to it, just as you are yours. For the most part (I will not say altogether because I know it is not true) the gloom has been isolated to one thread–the SF thread. The shipping thread rule still stands: if you go into a shipping thread, be prepared not to like what you see. But what they are posting is just how they feel. And no amount of rationalization posts or attempts at getting them to see a different viewpoint, is going to change that. In fact, it’s making them more angry. I’m sure the anger will quiet down but it must play out. People must be allowed to say how they feel right now. And if they are keeping it isolated to one thread (for the most part) then I don’t see why it’s a big deal.
I wasn’t trying to change any of your opinions. Should have been clearer. You’ve all made your stance and are clearly sticking to it. Just like I am free to express my own response and analysis. People can take my post for what they will. Sharing multiple perspectives and views makes for a perfectly healthy discussion.
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