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April 28, 2015 at 8:03 am #303000CorbinParticipant
Shows tend to take their biggest risks when they know they’re nearing their ends (recent episodes of Revenge and Grey’s Anatomy are prime examples). That’s because they don’t have to worry about viewership as much anymore.
I think Rumple is going to die, in some way. The reason for this is that the way the story is going right now doesn’t allow for just a simple “take this magical potion then you’re better.” The Rumple of 3A and even 3B, when he didn’t want to commit those evil acts Zelena forced him to do, is not the same Rumple in S4. He’s ruthless, has lost all care for everyone, and has been willing to let everyone die in order to get what he wants (4×09, “Fall,” for reference).
Yes, this is because his heart is blackening and he’s losing the ability to love. However, there has to be an end to this complete character shift and the only one staring at us is, in my opinion that I know is shared by others, is some form of death.
That’s what I believe is going to cause the end of Rumbelle. Rumple is going to accept his fate, probably say a final kiss/hug/”We will always have our chipped cup” good-bye, then either permanently die or become the man he was before the Dark One curse. Plus, the writers may think it’s poetic that both father and son “died” in one season then actually died in the next (however twisted that sounds to me, but that’s a different debate).
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April 28, 2015 at 8:13 am #303002RumplesGirlKeymasterThe reason for this is that the way the story is going right now doesn’t allow for just a simple “take this magical potion then you’re better.”
I agree but A and E do have a history of introducing magic McGuffins that fix all the things. The plot doesn’t warrant it, but that wouldn’t stop A and E from introducing some sort of fix-it-all at the 11th hour that not only restores Rumple’s heart but also turns him back into the Rumple we all knew from before.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"April 28, 2015 at 9:23 am #303008Grace HeatherParticipantI agree but A and E do have a history of introducing magic McGuffins that fix all the things. The plot doesn’t warrant it, but that wouldn’t stop A and E from introducing some sort of fix-it-all at the 11th hour that not only restores Rumple’s heart but also turns him back into the Rumple we all knew from before.
I hope that’s right, or Belle saves him somehow. If this show does another season, and Rumple’s dead I don’t think that I’d be able to watch anymore. Who else is going to make sure that things are never normal and always interesting in Storybrooke?
April 28, 2015 at 9:43 am #303009Grace HeatherParticipantbecome the man he was before the Dark One curse.
How do you mean that? Do you mean that Rumple would lose the curse, lose all of his memories of ever being the Dark One, and just become the old and weak spinner again? Or Rumple would get the curse broken by Belle, keep his memories, and just be a regular person again with studied magic ability, like Regina, or gain light magic? I feel like he would still be capbable of using magic without the curse. He taught Cora, Regina, and Zelena how to use it, so Rumple must have studied it. He might even be able to tap in to light magic like Regina did without the dark curse.
April 28, 2015 at 10:28 am #303012SweetsParticipantI feel like he would still be capbable of using magic without the curse. He taught Cora, Regina, and Zelena how to use it, so Rumple must have studied it. He might even be able to tap in to light magic like Regina did without the dark curse.
Are magic users born with the ability to do magic? It seems like all of the Mills women have the ability to do magic. Ingrid and Elsa had magic when they were born. Same as Emma.
Do we think that Rumple’s family has the same threads of magic or did they only get magic from The Shadow and the Dark One course?
April 28, 2015 at 11:41 am #303014MatthewPaulModeratorI agree but A and E do have a history of introducing magic McGuffins that fix all the things. The plot doesn’t warrant it, but that wouldn’t stop A and E from introducing some sort of fix-it-all at the 11th hour that not only restores Rumple’s heart but also turns him back into the Rumple we all knew from before.
There was the whole Charming dreamshade plot point that got dragged out in Season 3A. Some people were seriously worried he was going to die for real that time. Especially when TVLine posted that article about an actor in a currently running primetime series getting offered a pilot, but that they couldn’t announce any further details at the time, because it would spoil their onscreen death for their current show. It turned out to be nobody from OUAT at all, and Charming ended up being fine.
April 28, 2015 at 6:48 pm #303058RumplesGirlKeymasterI feel like he would still be capbable of using magic without the curse. He taught Cora, Regina, and Zelena how to use it, so Rumple must have studied it. He might even be able to tap in to light magic like Regina did without the dark curse.
Are magic users born with the ability to do magic? It seems like all of the Mills women have the ability to do magic. Ingrid and Elsa had magic when they were born. Same as Emma. Do we think that Rumple’s family has the same threads of magic or did they only get magic from The Shadow and the Dark One course?
If Malcolm had even the slight bit of magic, he’d have used it to his own advantage. He had slight of hand, but that’s not magic as defined in OUAT.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"April 29, 2015 at 2:56 am #303096GaultheriaParticipantTo me, the story of Rumpel and Belle right now feels like Orpheus and Eurydice in reverse.
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April 29, 2015 at 8:31 am #303106RumplesGirlKeymasterTo me, the story of Rumpel and Belle right now feels like Orpheus and Eurydice in reverse.
I’ve always thought they felt like that, actually. It really got a big O and E helping in S3B after Rumple’s sacrifice.
If they are playing with O and E myth, then it’s worth pointing out that in the end Orpheus loses Eurydice
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"April 29, 2015 at 10:08 am #303111nevermoreParticipantIf they are playing with O and E myth, then it’s worth pointing out that in the end Orpheus loses Eurydice
By not having faith in the gods’ promise, if memory serves.
To me, the story of Rumpel and Belle right now feels like Orpheus and Eurydice in reverse.
That’s interesting. In reverse in that Orpheus is Belle and Rumple is Eurydice? *tries hard to picture Rumple fleeing an enamored Aristaeus* Jokes aside, yes, I can see how there are parallels especially with S3
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