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I don’t think the DO curse helped, but he still made the choices he made, even back from the moment he became the DO–like mass murdering the soldiers.
I agree that Rumple systematically made terrible decisions, I don’t think the point is to absolve him of responsibility. Rather, lets rephrase the issue. To what extent are dark and light magic qualitatively different, or are they like the Force in Star Wars, two sides of the same coin, colored by a person’s choices and motivations? Speculatively, and within the OUAT universe, do you think one could be a DO and “overcome” the curse by “lightening” the magic (rather than by breaking the curse through external means)?
[adrotate group="5"]A question before formulating an opinion…what’s with all the Rumple’s dying/Bobby wants off the show stuff coming from? The current storyline or something read or just speculation?
A question before formulating an opinion…what’s with all the Rumple’s dying/Bobby wants off the show stuff coming from? The current storyline or something read or just speculation?
Current storyline, spec, certain Bobby interviews/opinions, and the way he is currently portraying Rumple vs how he has played him in the past.
Also…Rumple is dying. His heart is going black. That part was confirmed. The question is whether or not he will fully die and subsequently comes back from death.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I don’t think the DO curse helped, but he still made the choices he made, even back from the moment he became the DO–like mass murdering the soldiers.
I agree that Rumple systematically made terrible decisions, I don’t think the point is to absolve him of responsibility. Rather, lets rephrase the issue. To what extent are dark and light magic qualitatively different, or are they like the Force in Star Wars, two sides of the same coin, colored by a person’s choices and motivations? Speculatively, and within the OUAT universe, do you think one could be a DO and “overcome” the curse by “lightening” the magic (rather than by breaking the curse through external means)?
Personally? I think you can overcome darkness. Rumple never wanted to. He needed that magic, the reputation, the abilities, of being the Dark One to find Bae.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Given that early Rumple wanted to use the Dark One’s power for good, and we saw how quickly that changed, there’s no question that the power has corrupted his purer instincts (which weren’t the purest to begin with–he did desert from his military service for sympathetic but nonetheless dishonorable reasons, and he did choose to burn the duke’s castle and kill Zoso all before he became the Dark One).
I think he used his dealmaking to help control not only the cost of his magic to himself but also his darker impulses. As long as he had Baelfire to keep him human, it was effective. Without his son, even with Belle left to love, there’s not been enough to keep it in check.
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Without his son, even with Belle left to love, there’s not been enough to keep it in check.
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But you’re right. Bae was the light. Which is why Rumple doing *none of this* to at least try and get Bae back (you know, his happy ending) makes no sense.
Ok, I’ll get off my little soap box.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"#BoldStorytelling But you’re right. Bae was the light. Which is why Rumple doing *none of this* to at least try and get Bae back (you know, his happy ending) makes no sense. Ok, I’ll get off my little soap box.
I like your soapbox. It outsources my irritation with what they did to one of my favorite characters.
I think he used his dealmaking to help control not only the cost of his magic to himself but also his darker impulses. As long as he had Baelfire to keep him human, it was effective. Without his son, even with Belle left to love, there’s not been enough to keep it in check.
I think that’s right. At the same time, lets not forget that this is a very conscious decisions on the part of the writers. It’s not like there were no other ways of exploring Rumple’s predicament, and I personally think there might have been other interesting stories to tell about the struggle with something like the DO curse that would have felt more organic to the character. Heck, make him human, and see how he handles it. Or, at the very least, humanize him more, rather than tossing all the scenes that might show character development during the editing phase. Seriously, Rumple going the Voldemort route is that awful combination of evil and boring.
Could someone please put #BoldStorytelling in a burlap sack and toss it in the river? }:-)
That being said, I think it helps me to think that Rumple 2.0 is, actually, a different person (i.e. he came back wrong), with the same set of memories and physical conditions, but a different character make up.
Bae was the light. Which is why Rumple doing *none of this* to at least try and get Bae back (you know, his happy ending) makes no sense.
If people come back wrong, then whatever is left of original Rumpel wouldn’t want that for Bae. He might be trying instead to be worthy of going where he thinks Bae is now.
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If people come back wrong, then whatever is left of original Rumpel wouldn’t want that for Bae. He might be trying instead to be worthy of going where he thinks Bae is now.
Yes, I see what you’re saying. The big problem is that nothing has been said–explicitly–that Rumple came back wrong. It’s actually just a fan theory that Rumple fans have been using to try and rationalize Rumple’s current behavior.
Blue Fairy came back fine. Ana in WL came back fine (2x). Rumple coming back wrong would be a highly interesting story but the writers haven’t given anything definitive about if he did come back wrong–and it’s unlikely that they will given that A and E like move quite rapidly past their former arcs and almost never touch on them again.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"If people come back wrong, then whatever is left of original Rumpel wouldn’t want that for Bae. He might be trying instead to be worthy of going where he thinks Bae is now.
Yes, I think that’s an interesting theory. Though as I said, I don’t think this is intended by the writers — or at least, there’s no evidence. (By comparison, say, Joss Whedon “overhauled” his characters very explicitly, and quite smartly. For example, Buffy gets a complete overhaul, but that’s woven into the narrative drama of the latter seasons, and therefore feels logical). I’m using the distinction as a heuristic to understand what happened to Rumbelle, and why the basic “archetype” of the relationship, and hence its anticipated arc, did a 180.
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