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Ok, so I’m one of the folks that does not believe Rumple’s going to die at the end of this season…or next season. I also don’t believe this is the end of Rumbelle.
I do think they’re setting Rumple up to be the next big bad. Rumple has been lost since Bae’s death. And I think what we’ve seen is the beginning of that spiral – not really dealing with his son’s death, promising to avenge his death when Bae very likely would never want that, and the entire demise of Rumbelle. Rumple’s obsessed with power and magic, but he is still a very weak individual – his choice to become the Dark One, his chosing his magic over Belle numerous times have shown us that. But though he’s close right now, I think he hasn’t quite hit rock bottom yet. That is what I think the writers are setting us up for. I’m thinking Rumple doesn’t die, but he does lose his magic and power. I think, for Rumple, that’s a fate worse than death.
I think Rumple’s redemption arc really hasn’t even started. I think we’ve seen some good progress with characters like Hook and Regina, but for every step forward Rumple takes, he’s still taking 2 steps back. So I think Rumple needs to truly redeem himself before Rumbelle has a chance, but I do think, once Rumple hits that bottom and finally faces himself without the magic and power that’s corrupted him for so long, Belle will be there to help him find his way. We saw Belle finally having to come to terms with the fact that Rumple has done bad things, when she is the one directly affected by his actions. And we saw Belle walk away, but the scene in the store left me feeling like Belle is ready to see Rumple for who he really is, not who she wants him or believes he can be. And now that she’s maybe looking at him and their relationship a little more rationally and realistically, she can actually give Rumple the help she felt she was giving when she continued to almost blindly have faith in him.
So, that’s my thoughts in a not-so-nutshell. And I’m hoping my headcannon proves right because that’s the Rumbelle I would love to see! (And since I’m one who personally loves Rumple when he’s at his worst, and thinks Belle deserved better until she finally fought back, therefore couldn’t really get completely behind Rumbelle, that’s saying a lot!)
[adrotate group="5"]Ok, so I’m one of the folks that does not believe Rumple’s going to die at the end of this season…or next season. I also don’t believe this is the end of Rumbelle.
I do think they’re setting Rumple up to be the next big bad. Rumple has been lost since Bae’s death. And I think what we’ve seen is the beginning of that spiral – not really dealing with his son’s death, promising to avenge his death when Bae very likely would never want that, and the entire demise of Rumbelle. Rumple’s obsessed with power and magic, but he is still a very weak individual – his choice to become the Dark One, his chosing his magic over Belle numerous times have shown us that. But though he’s close right now, I think he hasn’t quite hit rock bottom yet. That is what I think the writers are setting us up for. I’m thinking Rumple doesn’t die, but he does lose his magic and power. I think, for Rumple, that’s a fate worse than death.
I think Rumple’s redemption arc really hasn’t even started. I think we’ve seen some good progress with characters like Hook and Regina, but for every step forward Rumple takes, he’s still taking 2 steps back. So I think Rumple needs to truly redeem himself before Rumbelle has a chance, but I do think, once Rumple hits that bottom and finally faces himself without the magic and power that’s corrupted him for so long, Belle will be there to help him find his way. We saw Belle finally having to come to terms with the fact that Rumple has done bad things, when she is the one directly affected by his actions. And we saw Belle walk away, but the scene in the store left me feeling like Belle is ready to see Rumple for who he really is, not who she wants him or believes he can be. And now that she’s maybe looking at him and their relationship a little more rationally and realistically, she can actually give Rumple the help she felt she was giving when she continued to almost blindly have faith in him.
So, that’s my thoughts in a not-so-nutshell. And I’m hoping my headcannon proves right because that’s the Rumbelle I would love to see! (And since I’m one who personally loves Rumple when he’s at his worst, and thinks Belle deserved better until she finally fought back, therefore couldn’t really get completely behind Rumbelle, that’s saying a lot!)
That’s basically how I feel about all of this in a nutshell.
I do think they’re setting Rumple up to be the next big bad.
But he’s currently the big bad. The Three QoD were just blips in the long run; barely worth being called villains, apart from Cruella. Rumple is the big bad right now, even A and E said so before S4B began.
and we all pretty much know who the real big bad for S5A is going to be…Black Swan
ETA: im not saying that you’re wrong in your other thoughts but Rumple being the next big bad would be simply repetitive when A and E already think he is.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I do think they’re setting Rumple up to be the next big bad.
(Sorry for abbreviating the citation). While I like your headcanon, and I would love it for you to be right, I think (and sorry for the cynicism) it gives the writers too much credence. In other words, your response exemplified the truly uplifting capacity of OUAT’s fanbase to read the show’s writing generously, to creatively reframe the narrative shortcuts, and to complicate simplistic characterizations. And don’t get me wrong — Rumbelle had enormous potential, both in its early writing, and through the sheer talent and subtle chemistry of RC and EDR. And yet, I tend to agree with @RG here. The writers are already at the “big bad” phase, and this show does NOT have a good track record of dealing with the exact kind of subtle, psychological, twisty little issues you are laying out. To use an overblown illustration, you’re aiming at Crime and Punishment, and they’re going with 50 Shades of Gray.
A question before formulating an opinion…what’s with all the Rumple’s dying/Bobby wants off the show stuff coming from? The current storyline or something read or just speculation?
In reply to your question, here are my thoughts about the fate of Rumplestiltskin. His dark heart could be taken as confirmation that he is going to die. He already had a very close shave with death, until Zelena gave him the elixir to buy him a bit of extra time to track down Isaac. While Rumple may succeed temporarily in getting Isaac to rewrite the villains their happy endings (thereby extending his life for a bit longer), I think Henry is going to become the next Author and set things back to how they were with good triumphing over evil. Also, based on spoilers and what Emma herself already said about wanting to stab Rumple with his dagger, I think after Henry course corrects things so that the odds are again stacked in favor of the heroes, Emma will stab Rumple, kill him, and become the next dark one. That will be the big cliff hanger for S5.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
Also, based on spoilers and what Emma herself already said about wanting to stab Rumple with his dagger, I think after Henry course corrects things so that the odds are again stacked in favor of the heroes, Emma will stab Rumple, kill him, and become the next dark one. That will be the big cliff hanger for S5.
Actually according to set reports of that climatic scene in the finale, Emma mentions how the dagger “always needs a name”, and then sacrifices herself. That would suggest that she didn’t stab Rumple, because if she did, her name would already be on the dagger. Either Rumple’s dark one curse is lifted, or he somehow dies without being stabbed.
Actually according to set reports of that climatic scene in the finale, Emma mentions how the dagger “always needs a name”, and then sacrifices herself. That would suggest that she didn’t stab Rumple, because if she did, her name would already be on the dagger. Either Rumple’s dark one curse is lifted, or he somehow dies without being stabbed.
That’s curious. I hadn’t heard that is what Emma said. But her saying that and the stabbing herself with the dagger suggests to me like she is voluntarily adding her own name to the dagger. Why else would Emma say that and then stab herself? Also, if Rumple’s name has already been erased, implying he’s already dead or mortal again due to TLK, then shouldn’t the dark one curse already be lifted? I thought if the dark one died by some means other than being killed by the dagger (e.g. poison in ALWM) that the magic would just evaporate and the dark one curse would cease to be passed on anymore. That was why Cora was in such a hurry to stab Rumple with the dagger, because she coveted the dark one curse for herself and she didn’t want that magic to be lost for good. Why does the dagger “always needs a name” if the dark magic has evaporated? It may be because magic can neither be created nor lost (a S4 rule), but that would seemingly contradict what Cora said in S2 about the dark one magic evaporating into thin air.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
I’ve said repeatedly that I think Rumple will die and I do believe it. If I were writing it, I’d have him shed his curse and then live life as a mortal once again with all the limitations that come with it. It would be hard, complex and fascinating. But character study is a thing of the past. Season one writing is no longer here. So here’s is how I think it’s going down:
I think at the last we’ll get our Beauty and the Beast ending. However with a twist. I think he’ll do one last heroic thing, and he appears to be dying. Belle comes forward, weeps over him because she never really stopped loving him and kisses him and MAGIC! The curse is finally lifted. True Love’s Kiss finally does what it hinted at in “Skin Deep”. And all the Beauty and the Beast/Rumbellers rejoice that they’ve finally completed their story. Then we get a moment of them being sweet and he dies as a mortal in her arms. His soul finally at peace. Then it can go into the spoilers of what Matt said from set reports.
So we simultaneously get his death and our wished for Beauty and the Beast ending.
Keeper of Rumplestiltskin's and Neal's spears and war paint and crystal ball.
That’s curious. I hadn’t heard that is what Emma said. But her saying that and the stabbing herself with the dagger suggests to me like she is voluntarily adding her own name to the dagger. Why else would Emma say that and then stab herself? Also, if Rumple’s name has already been erased, implying he’s already dead or mortal again due to TLK, then shouldn’t the dark one curse already be lifted? I thought if the dark one died by some means other than being killed by the dagger (e.g. poison in ALWM) that the magic would just evaporate and the dark one curse would cease to be passed on anymore. That was why Cora was in such a hurry to stab Rumple with the dagger, because she coveted the dark one curse for herself and she didn’t want that magic to be lost for good. Why does the dagger “always needs a name” if the dark magic has evaporated? It may be because magic can neither be created nor lost (a S4 rule), but that would seemingly contradict what Cora said in S2 about the dark one magic evaporating into thin air.
I don’t think she stabbed herself. From what I saw of the set video, she just raises the dagger in the air and then disappears. As for Cora, she was probably just theorizing what would happen.
@Slurpeez, here are the sources for the spoilers I mentioned:
Set report: http://jordynmoka.tumblr.com/post/115359647014/april-1st-once-upon-a-time-shooting
Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrMu9loi_5o
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