"It’s Her"

[kfchimera]

One question about the dark fairy theory, but how do fairies breed in the enchanted Forest? In the Peter Pan mythology, they come from a human baby’s first laugh. They don’t exactly have mothers or fathers. I suppose maybe they adopt each other or there could be some other way Tamara might have a “family blood feud” thing going. Or it is her own personal history that sets her against those in SB?

I’m leaning toward Tamara being completely of this world, but fits into the sort of stories about magic/alien/paranormal collectively “weird stuff” hunters/researcher types.

I like the Tiana idea, but the only thing is, would it be too obscure of a character reference for most of the audience? While the Princess and the Frog’s source story is old enough, this particular version and setting is not even a decade old.

[Slurpeez]

@Phee wrote:

It would certainly fit the themes they’ve been playing with. But how does a photo of Tamara and her grandmother, clearly taken in our world, work into the theories of her being related to the Fairy Godmother?

Tamara could be a half-fairy, the daughter of Cinderella’s fairy godmother and of a human father. That would mean it was a picture of her paternal grandmother (i.e. her father’s mother).

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

[beastwhisperer]

@Phee wrote:

It would certainly fit the themes they’ve been playing with. But how does a photo of Tamara and her grandmother, clearly taken in our world, work into the theories of her being related to the Fairy Godmother?

That’s the same problem that I’m currently having with the fairy godmother theory. I don’t see how it can fit with clues like the picture of Tamara with her grandmother. It’s clearly from this world. It’s well worn as though she’s carried it for years (and she was still carrying it in her car), so I don’t see it as being fake. There doesn’t seem to be a good way for Tamara as a fairy to make it to our world from EF. Her mother going to the EF from earth to become a fairy would be unprecedented in the show, and then there’d be no known way for the information of her death to make it back here. If it’s so hard to get here that Rumple had to do this huge curse, it makes Blue supremely shady if the fairies did have the power to come here all along. I like the dark fairy/daughter of Cinderella’s godmother idea, but I don’t know how to make it fit.

I’ve been thinking more about the Oz possibilities. It’s seeming to me that Tamara’s mother might fit better with Dorothy than her Grandmother. IF Rumple sent Jefferson a few years before the curse was activated that could put Dorothy’s visit around the late seventies. Seventies, Oz, New York… that sounds like The Wiz. Diana Ross’s Dorothy was a 24 year old kindgarten teacher from Harlem, and it was made in 1978. K&H could use that much as a homage in whatever take they might have on the story. After gettting home (and taking with her the transportation that Rumple was looking for), Dorothy would have had Tamara. She could have a father from here or perhaps her father was from Oz. Oz would get him out of the picture, so that’s what I’m leaning towards. Something then happens to Dorothy that leads to Tamara having to be raised by her Grandmother. Maybe she got sucked back to Oz in another storm or chose to leave because she was looking for something (Tamara’s father?). Maybe the wizard did something to her after he returned. Maybe she was branded “crazy” for her story and locked up, leading Tamara to try to stamp out magic for ruining her mother’s life. There’s tons of possibilities. The key would be that magic would somehow have taken her parents from her. That’s why Tamara’s treasured picture is of her with Grandma.

It fits with Tamara being human and from here. It ties in to the science vs magic theme. (The wizard did use science to fake magic afterall.) Hints for Oz would include Jefferson’s trip to Oz leading to the revelation that the ruby slippers were already used. Greg having a town dropped on him as a child. Right or wrong, it’s a fun idea to toy with for me.

Back to the other points that folks have been discussing. I suspect that Tamara and Greg/Owen met as adults. By that time they were both driven by their childhood traumas to seek out magic and stop it. Gives them common ground to bond over. They could have met online or likely while investigating the same incident that they suspected to be from a magical cause.

Also with all the discussion about Tamara using the Empty Heart Spell, I’ve been wondering if she’s replicated the effect with science instead. Could use pheromones or harmonics as a base since olfactory and auditory cues play huge roles in attraction. Easier than tracking down a chimera if she’s a super scientist type.

[rapunzel_is_a_ginger]

@BeastWhisperer wrote:

Also with all the discussion about Tamara using the Empty Heart Spell, I’ve been wondering if she’s replicated the effect with science instead. Could use pheromones or harmonics as a base since olfactory and auditory cues play huge roles in attraction. Easier than tracking down a chimera if she’s a super scientist type.

We’ve kinda been batting this idea around in the “Is Nealfire bewitched?” thread.

https://oncepodcast.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=74&t=3491

It definitely seems to fit considering her association with Greg and his name’s reference to science.

[Slurpeez]

@BeastWhisperer wrote:

@Phee wrote:

It would certainly fit the themes they’ve been playing with. But how does a photo of Tamara and her grandmother, clearly taken in our world, work into the theories of her being related to the Fairy Godmother?

That’s the same problem that I’m currently having with the fairy godmother theory. I don’t see how it can fit with clues like the picture of Tamara with her grandmother. It’s clearly from this world. It’s well worn as though she’s carried it for years (and she was still carrying it in her car), so I don’t see it as being fake. There doesn’t seem to be a good way for Tamara as a fairy to make it to our world from EF. Her mother going to the EF from earth to become a fairy would be unprecedented in the show, and then there’d be no known way for the information of her death to make it back here. If it’s so hard to get here that Rumple had to do this huge curse, it makes Blue supremely shady if the fairies did have the power to come here all along. I like the dark fairy/daughter of Cinderella’s godmother idea, but I don’t know how to make it fit.

As I wrote in the post above, Tamara could be a half-fairy, the daughter of Cinderella’s fairy godmother and of a human father. That would mean it was a picture of Tamara’s paternal grandmother and would explain why it was taken in our world. Tamara might have been born in our world if her mother were able to travel between worlds, just as Tinker Bell was able to do. (Maybe her mother was Tinker Bell, and her aunt was Cinderella’s fairy godmother). We just don’t know enough about the fairies yet to know why the BF would allow herself and her fellow fairies to be cursed to stay in SB if fairies can travel between worlds. Maybe Tamara’s mother was a rebel who stole all the magical beans. We just don’t know enough.

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

[RumplesGirl]

Small bit of disapointment from last night that I’m just recalling: The BF and Tamara were in the same shot at one point and the BF didn’t even register her. So if Tamara is a Dark Fairy, Blue has never seen her/heard of her, ect.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[RumplesGirl]

@TheOnionGirl wrote:

I posted this in another thread not long after the episode Sunday, but got not an once of reaction to it. See what you think:

“First, I freely admit I did not see the entire episode. (Restless little boys who should have been in bed … ). But I had a thought about this.

“I know a few people thought Tamara originally might be Tiana from the Princess and the Frog. What if her GRANDMOTHER was? I believe Tiana is/was the only Disney princess anchored in a concrete “real world” time and place … 1920s New Orleans … what if she somehow came over from FTL and built her life there, and her granddaughter (great-granddaughter would probably be closer) used to hear all these stories …

“Just an off the wall idea.”

I don’t think it’s off the wall at all! I actually think it’s quite plausible. When pics of Tamara first started coming out, based on her look and her name many people thought she was going to be Tiana anyway.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[beastwhisperer]

@RumplesGirl wrote:

Small bit of disapointment from last night that I’m just recalling: The BF and Tamara were in the same shot at one point and the BF didn’t even register her. So if Tamara is a Dark Fairy, Blue has never seen her/heard of her, ect.

I was just batting that idea around while making lunch. There’s always the possibility that Blue is shady and in league with her, I suppose. It’s about the only way that I can get Tamara as a dark fairy to come to our world, or her mom to go there and news of her death to still get here. Blue would have to be lying somewhere about the beans or about not knowing a way to get here from the EF for me to be able to reconcile the travel necessary between the worlds. So it’s not impossible, but it’s still a complicated prospect. For shady fairy is shady fans, it does give Blue another reason to make Pinocchio a boy with no memory.

[RumplesGirl]

Blue who just pops up out of nowhere (seriously, what was that….)

If Tamara was born here OR raised here then it would make sense that Blue didn’t recognize her. We know fairies have helped people escape FTL before (Bae for instance). So maybe Blue or another fairy helped Tamara’s grandmother and an infant Tamara escape FTL.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[beastwhisperer]

@RumplesGirl wrote:

Blue who just pops up out of nowhere (seriously, what was that….)

If Tamara was born here OR raised here then it would make sense that Blue didn’t recognize her. We know fairies have helped people escape FTL before (Bae for instance). So maybe Blue or another fairy helped Tamara’s grandmother and an infant Tamara escape FTL.

Kinda like a Grandma can’t bear to stay their after Rumple killed her daughter thing? That would put it around 9 months before the curse was enacted. So if the fairies could do that for Granny and Tamara, we need a reason why only Grandma and Tamara would be sent here instead of saving everyone who was shortly to be cursed. A previous magical tree that Blue could use for a test run? But if she needed Gepetto to carve the wardrobe for Emma’s trip, she’d still need someone to fashion this tree.

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