"It’s magic is what powers the World"

[gypsy]

In “The Return” the Blue Fairy tells Baelfire that the magic bean will take him to a place without magic.

In “Dreamy” :
The BF tells Nova “Fairy Dust is the most precious substance in all the land. It’s magic is what powers the world.”

Bossy tells Dreamy/Grumpy “We mine the diamonds that get crushed into dust that gives light to the world.”

So, if Fairy Dust powers the ‘world’ and gives light to the ‘world’ – there is no ‘world without magic’.
Not even ours
.
In our world, a magic portal exists, that allowed 2 characters from FTL to magically enter ‘our world’.
A town full of Storybook characters -who haven’t aged because time was frozen for 28 years – exists in ‘our world’.

Bae did not go to a world without magic…the BF lied, yet again.
Bae (Neal ?) could very likely be Peter Pan.

[obisgirl]

I still before the curse was broken, magic did not exist in our world. I mean, if it did, Gold wouldn’t have needed to make the trek to the well to bring magic into our world.

But, Storybrooke is obviously a special case (David giving MM the wrong card), that was obviously because of the curse; so magic had to been present to make him do that — not just David’s stupidity.

therefore, that’s why I think Bae ended up here (in our world).

[gypsy]

A tree in the middle of the forrest, in our world, burst open and a real life Pinocchio (who only existed in storybooks in our world until then) stepped foot in our world and was followed the by the infant Saviour – the daughter of Snow White and Prince Charming (who also only existed in storybooks in our world until then).
That was before the curse was broken….that was right before the curse took effect.

Rumplestiltskin constantly says “True Love is the most powerful Magic”

True Love does exist in our world, so, in effect, magic does exist in our world 🙂

[a_desperate_soul]

@Gypsy wrote:

A tree in the middle of the forrest, in our world, burst open and a real life Pinocchio (who only existed in storybooks in our world until then) stepped foot in our world and was followed the by the infant Saviour – the daughter of Snow White and Prince Charming (who also only existed in storybooks in our world until then).
That was before the curse was broken….that was right before the curse took effect.

Rumplestiltskin constantly says “True Love is the most powerful Magic”

True Love does exist in our world, so, in effect, magic does exist in our world 🙂

Very true. Love is the only true organic source of magic in this world.

[Grimmsister]

So doo you think Blue fairy lied about the no magic or doo you think Baelfire was sent too a different world then ours?? Perhabs then a dead world or the ‘opposite’ of a world. Because if magic is what powers the world or worlds in general then a world without, would be impossible.

What do you all think magic is ? What does it represent ?

We’ve heard about love being the most powerfull kind but howabout hate then, is that also a form of magic?

I was thinking maybe imagination is a form of magic. You know because of fairytales and stories wich are from peoples imagination.
And that giant cupcake Regina magically produced for Henry (that has made a lasting impression on my mind I keep refering to it when explaining about magic 😆 yum yum! Why can’t I do that?)
Well she made that from her imagination.

Magic powers the world. It is the source of light. Its made from carbon-(diamants)
hm hm hm! 🙄 ? (thinking)

[Myril]

@Gypsy wrote:

In “The Return” the Blue Fairy tells Baelfire that the magic bean will take him to a world without magic.

In “Dreamy” :
The BF tells Nova “Fairy Dust is the most precious substance in all the land. It’s magic is what powers the world.”

Bossy tells Dreamy/Grumpy “We mine the diamonds that get crushed into dust that gives light to the world.”

So, if Fairy Dust powers the ‘world’ and gives light to the ‘world’ – there is no ‘world without magic’.
Not even ours
.
In our world, a magic portal exists, that allowed 2 characters from FTL to magically enter ‘our world’.
A town full of Storybook characters -who haven’t aged because time was frozen for 28 years – exists in ‘our world’.

Bae did not go to a world without magic…the BF lied, yet again.
Bae (Neal ?) could very likely be Peter Pan.

Are we sure by now, that Bae went to our world with the bean? But think it’s save to say, that Neverland is not a land without magic, never has been without magic. So, if the Blue Fairy spoke the truth, Bae couldn’t have gone first to Neverland, unless she didn’t know that there was magic, or she did lie about it. The same might be true for the version, that Bae went to our world first (and then from there maybe somehow to Neverland, to explain why he survived some time and eventually didn’t age, if he is who many think he is)

I agree, that not even our world was without any magic before Rumple brought “officially” magic to Storybrook, mostly because of that Storybrook was frozen in time for 28 years – how else should that be explained. Additionally, Rumple said in “The Doctor” (2×05), that Jefferson’s hat transports only between magical realms. If that was true, meant, that Regina couldn’t have gotten the apple from FTL to our world through tim without our world then having at least a bit of magic, and the hat might have not worked at all otherwise. Or it wasn’t true what Rumple said, or the abilities of the hat changed with the curse.

Now I think it is possible, that the Blue Fairy didn’t lie. For one, maybe she didn’t know, it just might have looked like there was no magic in our world (assuming Bae was sent here). But my theory is, that here in our world indeed at that time there was no magic like any kind of magic known in the magical worlds. Not even true love sparked the magic it could spark in FTL and maybe in other worlds. But with the dark curse magic found it’s way into our world too.

The portal was opened after Rumple brought magic to Storybrook, so it’s not an indication for our world always having been with magic.

Concerning the fairy dust. So far I have the impression, that the term world, land and realm are use mostly synomym. It’s not one big world including all lands the Blue Fairy was probably talking of, but one of the worlds, one of the magical realms, the Fairy Tale Land, Enchanted Forest. At least so far I am assuming that there is more than one world, even if it might be on the same spot in space (uhm, we could start to discuss theories of time and dimensions, but that is another topic). So what I think she meant was, that the fairy dust powers the world they, the Fairy, dwarfs etc. were living in. And Bossy talking about giving light to the world I took more as contrast to dark as in dark magic, so meaning good magic, or good things, hope. Not saying that there is basically something like plain good and plain evil magic though, but it might look like there is.

@Gypsy – the tree is an argument. But could be possible that it worked, because the Dark Curse was already forming a bridge between the two worlds, EQ had set it in motion, the clouds of the curse were on the way to engulf the land, when Pinocchio and a couple of minutes later Emma were set in the wardrobe. After all the Blue Fairy said only something about that the tree would ward off any curse, protect, there was no talk about it being a portal at that point. ( but it’s just a theory of mine)

Bear with me, I’m working on sorting some more thoughts about magic in OUaT. What it might be, are there different forms of magic, what magic has been shown so far, and more thoughts. There are a couple of threads on the board here discussing it, from sometimes different angles. Not to mention it’s a good reason to rewatch some episodes (How to fill a holiday break 101)

@medchen – imagination can be magical. So could call it a form of magic.

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[Grimmsister]

Could it be so that Storybrook is NOT actually IN our world ? it’s just a part of Fairytaleland sort of branched out.. That’s why it is called Storybrook, because it is a Story Book world.
And that’s why the barrier ‘spell’ is still in place, because it is not really a part of the world wich surrounds it. And that is why magic can exist there and still our world is a world without magic, exept for love maybe… but who says ‘twu wove’ exists in our world ? If that’s the kind of love that is magical.

Gypsy- So, if Fairy Dust powers the ‘world’ and gives light to the ‘world’ – there is no ‘world without magic’.
Not even ours

Fairydust is made from diamonds wich are made from carbon. Carbon is one ‘ingredience’ in stars wich powers them, burns and makes them shine. That’s what gives light to the world

[Slurpeez]

Magic wasn’t in our world until Mr. Gold used the potion of true love to bring it here.
1. Magic from fairy dust is what powers and gives light to fairy-tale land, not our world. The Blue Fairy, who is the Blue Star, uses magic to powers that world. What powers and gives light to our our world is the sun, also a star, but in the form of nuclear fusion rather than magic. Different worlds have different basic principles. For all we know, FTL isn’t even in the same universe. It could be a parallel dimension in another universe.
2. Emma and Pinocchio came through a magic wardrobe which was powerful enough to create a portal from the EF to our world. This does’t mean the tree in our world was magic to start with; it’s just where the magical portal from the EF opened up.
3. Magic was not indigenous to our world before the curse. It was the dark curse, which originated in the EF, that created Stroybrooke and brought over all of the cursed inhabitants, frozen in time, to Maine.
4. Jefferson’s hat couldn’t transport Rumplestiltskin to our world because there was no magic in it. It is a limitation of the hat that it must have magic on both openings to work. Regina said in 1×21 the only magic in this world was the magic she brought over from the EF. The only reason Regina could use Jefferson’s hat to grab the poisoned apple is because she used up the only magic she had left from her enchanted ring with Daniel’s picture. That magic was from the EF not our world.
5. True love did not have magical properties in our world before Rumple brought magic. We saw MM and David kiss and nothing happened. Only Emma, who is True Love Incarnate, was able to break the dark curse, which originated in the EF. Only Emma had the power to break the curse, because she is magic and she isn’t from our world. She was born in the EF and then came here via en enchanted wardrobe.

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

[gypsy]

Nova says to Dreamy/Grumpy “….As Fairies, we get to spend very little time in YOUR world…”

That tells me, Fairies aren’t from the EF, so, when BF says “….powers the WORLD…” she is not speaking of just the EF.

[Myril]

@slurpeez108 wrote:

Magic wasn’t in our world until Mr. Gold used the potion of true love to bring it here.
1. Magic from fairy dust is what powers and gives light to fairy-tale land, not our world. The Blue Fairy, who is the Blue Star, uses magic to powers that world. What powers and gives light to our our world is the sun, also a star, but in the form of nuclear fusion rather than magic. Different worlds have different basic principles. For all we know, FTL isn’t even in the same universe. It could be a parallel dimension in another universe.

Don’t quite agree with this point, not with the sun powering our world while FTL is powered by fairydust. They very well have a sun and moon in FTL too, don’t think that powering the world was meant in that kind of physical way, more in a metaphysical sense. After all it’s fairy tale, fantasy, not science fiction (although the lines between the genres are somewhat blurred in general)

@slurpeez108 wrote:

2. Emma and Pinocchio came through a magic wardrobe which was powerful enough to create a portal from the EF to our world. This does’t mean the tree in our world was magic to start with; it’s just where the magical portal from the EF opened up.
3. Magic was not indigenous to our world before the curse. It was the dark curse, which originated in the EF, that created Stroybrooke and brought over all of the cursed inhabitants, frozen in time, to Maine.
4. Jefferson’s hat couldn’t transport Rumplestiltskin to our world because there was no magic in it. It is a limitation of the hat that it must have magic on both openings to work. Regina said in 1×21 the only magic in this world was the magic she brought over from the EF. The only reason Regina could use Jefferson’s hat to grab the poisoned apple is because she used up the only magic she had left from her enchanted ring with Daniel’s picture. That magic was from the EF not our world.
5. True love did not have magical properties in our world before Rumple brought magic. We saw MM and David kiss and nothing happened. Only Emma, who is True Love Incarnate, was able to break the dark curse, which originated in the EF. Only Emma had the power to break the curse, because she is magic and she isn’t from our world. She was born in the EF and then came here via en enchanted wardrobe.

Agree with these points. And right, forget what Regina said, when they used the hat, thanks for reminding.

Possible, that ,after Mr. Gold brought some magic to Storybrook, any FTL kind magic is nevertheless confined to Storybrook, as a sort of FTL bubble in our world. So in our world there might be still no magic of that kind working, only in Storybrook. Think, that is very likely, the barriere is taking away the FTL identity of a person, and that might include their magic abilities, not just their knowledge of it (would be interesting what happens then to Emma, when crossing the line)

@Gypsy wrote:

Nova says to Dreamy/Grumpy “….As Fairies, we get to spend very little time in YOUR world…”

That tells me, Fairies aren’t from the EF, so, when BF says “….powers the WORLD…” she is not speaking of just the EF.

Beg to differ. The lives of fairies and dwarfes couldn’t be more different, and I think that was what Nova meant in that moment. Fairies have their duties and keep pretty much to themselves as dwarfs seem to do as well. While Dwarfs spend most of their lives working in mines, in the earth so to speak, fairies are beings of air, living in some place in the sky maybe (could get that impression in the episode). Possible, that fairies are living in a different world than the other FTL character, other world than where the Enchanted Forest is, but that still doesn’t make it impossible for our world to be a world without magic. Neither Nova nor Blue Fairy used world and land in plural – so, could be understood that everything is in one world (what though would contradict your point here with what Nova said to Dreamy/Grumpy) or that they’re talking just about the world they are living in, so it’s more likely they are actually talking of the Enchanted Forest, Fairy Tale Land when saying, magic powers the world. Either way, as I see it’s not an argument for magic existing in every world.

There is more than one magical realm, that much was said, and you can only move between them by finding some kind of portal between these worlds, the beans create such portals, the hat is a portal, mirrors can be. That in all of these worlds magic exist, doesn’t has to mean, they are all powered by it, particular not if you look at it more in a metaphysical way, as what is the fundamental nature of a world (Is magic the fundamental nature of Wonderland? Of Neverland?). And nature in this view means, what basically drives the world and the beings in the world, what is its essence. Not to mention it means, there could be worlds without magic.

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