"It’s magic is what powers the World"

[Slurpeez]

Also, another reason that magic isn’t indigenous to our world is the conversation that Jefferson and Emma had in 1×17 Hat Trick:

Emma: Here’s the thing, Jefferson – this is it. This is the real world.

Jefferson: A real world. How arrogant are you to think yours is the only one? There are infinite more. You have to open your mind. They touch one another, pressing up in a long line of lands. Each just as real as the last. All have their own rules. Some have magic, some don’t. And some need magic. Like this one. And that’s where you come in. You and your friend are not leaving here, until you make my hat. Until you get it to work.

The fact that Jefferson said there are many worlds, all with their own rules, some with magic and some without like this one we’re living in, solidifies my point. FTL has magic whereas our world did not any magic until Mr. Gold brought magic here. Also, each world has its own rules, and not just in a metaphysical sense; each world has its own laws, and our world is governed by phsycial laws whereas magic is what powers/governs FTL. Also, Jefferson makes it sound like these worlds are in parallel dimensions in the way that they “touch one another, pressing up in a long line of lands.”

Also, in 1×22 A Land Without Magic, Mr. Gold confirmed to Belle that there was no magic here in our world until he poured the bottled love potion in the waters of Lake Nostos.

Mr. Gold: We’re in a land without magic, Belle. And I’m bringing it. Magic… Is coming.

It wasn’t only the Blue Fairy who said our world is a land without magic; Rumplestiltskin, Regina, and Jefferson all confirmed that magic is not indigenous to our world. I’m bound to believe something is true if 4 characters all confirmed the same principle that our land is a land without magic.

[gypsy]

BF said “….most precious substance in all the land…powers the world.”
I am just trying to make sense of the different terms.
We’ve heard realm, land, world and worlds.
Taken in context, those major characters (except for the BF) are referring to Storybrooke when speaking of a land without magic.

Emma: Here’s the thing, Jefferson – this is it. This is the real world.
Jefferson: A real world. How arrogant are you to think yours is the only one? There are infinite more. You have to open your mind. They touch one another, pressing up in a long line of lands. Each just as real as the last. All have their own rules. Some have magic, some don’t. And some need magic. Like this one. And that’s where you come in. You and your friend are not leaving here, until you make my hat. Until you get it to work.

That entire quote is idicative of Stephen King’s “The Dark Tower” series.
SK wrote himself into the story as himself.
Worlds ‘touched’ and had their own rules.
One of the worlds was ‘our world’ and while it didn’t have magic, it had ‘Thinnies’ or ‘places where the boundries between worlds was thin’.

[gypsy]

Slurpeez –
The reason I bring up Stephen King’s Dark Tower is because he uses the exact premise as Jefferson’s quote that you posted.
Worlds touch each other and have their own rules.
In the novel, our world exists without magic, but, has one of the ‘thinnies’ (portals) – kinda like the tree in our world that Emma and Pinocchio came through.

When Rumple let’s Bae fall into the vortex, it is a scene taken directly from the DT:
Roland (father figure) let’s go of Jake’s hand (for his own selfish reasons) allowing him to fall into the abyss. (Jake, btw, ends up in ‘1977 /NY’ – Neal Cassady connection).

Medchen suggested that imagination is a form of magic. I agree. Novel’s can take ppl to other worlds through their imagination.
I wasn’t trying to say our world has magic like the EF or Wonderland. But, if fairy dust powers the world, in our world, it would be imagination.
And fairy dust seems to have the power to change the rules of any given world….look what happened when some fairy dust found it’s way to a dwarf egg…dwarfs don’t fall in love… but Dreamy/Grumpy did 🙂

I tend to think Stephen King’s influence plays a part on OUAT as it did with LOST.
I know, ppl see what they want to see, but, somethings are too blatant to be ignored.

Jefferson lives in the house used in SK’s The Dead Zone.
The famous “Wheel of Fortune” carnival spinning wheel from DZ is in Jefferson’s livingroom.

Those connections are why I think Jefferson wrote Henry’s book, but, that’s a theory for a different thread.

ignored.Jefferson lives in the house that was used in SK’s the Dead Zone and the famous “Wheel of Fortune”

[Myril]

@slurpeez108 wrote:

The fact that Jefferson said there are many worlds, all with their own rules, some with magic and some without like this one we’re living in, solidifies my point. FTL has magic whereas our world did not any magic until Mr. Gold brought magic here. Also, each world has its own rules, and not just in a metaphysical sense; each world has its own laws, and our world is governed by phsycial laws whereas magic is what powers/governs FTL. Also, Jefferson makes it sound like these worlds are in parallel dimensions in the way that they “touch one another, pressing up in a long line of lands.”

Have to clear something up, about why I said it’s more in a metaphysical sense. Metaphysics include physics, nature, but it goes beyond. It’s as much about how we perceive, experience and approach our world(s), what we believe it is powered by (to use the phrasing of the Blue Fairy). In other words,think it’s of little importance if their lights (if understood as sun, moon and alike) in FTL are thought to be powered by fairy dust or are powered by fairy dust, while our lights (sun) works with nuclear fusion, or at least we are convinced we have figured out with science, that this is how our sun works.

But I agree, there is enough prove in the episodes to be sure, there is more than one world. And the quote shows, the writers are using the land and world synonym in this context.

@Gypsy wrote:

Slurpeez –
And fairy dust seems to have the power to change the rules of any given world….look what happened when some fairy dust found it’s way to a dwarf egg…dwarfs don’t fall in love… but Dreamy/Grumpy did 🙂

It changed Dreamy / Grumpy, didn’t change the rule in general. Or maybe it did, indirectly. Or to phrase it differently: that dwarfs don’t fall in love was a rule not a fact (natural law) of the Fairy Tale world. It was something everybody was convinced to be true, but it never was true, it just never had happened before (or no one remembered it did). Admittedly, never liked the notion, that the fairy dust made Dreamy dream, as if dwarfs doesn’t have the ability to dream at all (it makes them look like a kind of biological robots of FTL, only programmed to work and work and work), but they somehow had to make a connection to Nova.

Fairy dust might power FTL but is not all powerful.

Lancelot: It’s poisoned.(about the arrow which wounded Ruth, Charming’s mother)
Prince Charming: Then we find an antidote.
Snow White: With the fairies. They can help us.
Lancelot: No. I’m afraid this is going to take something stronger than fairy dust.

Of course, Lancelot is not as a reliable source as Blue Fairy, might not know that much about the basics of magic, but think fairy dust has some limits.

¯\_(?????? ?)_/¯

[stef]

I wonder if:

The “real world” outside of Storybrooke is the same “universe” in which LOST takes place (Apollo bars; an airline called Ajira; another plane flying overhead with a symbol which looks very much like Oceanic Airlines.)

If it is, and since the LOST-verse is definitely “magical” (or at least has so many unexplained and unusual things that they might as well be magic), this would imply that the “real world” also is magical even before the FTL people arrive.

[gypsy]

Stef –

I’m one of those LOSTies that feels everything in the LOST Universe was explained.
The few things that weren’t, the creators left that way on purpose, so we could use our imagination 🙂
Sure did work! Ppl still discuss LOST all these years after it went over.

I get what you’re saying, though.
OUAT’s version of ‘Our World’ obviously has some magic existing in it.

There’s a magical portal that allowed 2 fairy tale characters to come through and exist in our world.
There’s a strange little town town that never existed before 28 years ago that was frozen in time with many, many FTL characters living in it in a haze with fake memories.

I’d call that – at least –some magic existing in ‘Our World’.

[Keb]

Well, we know that magically imbued objects work in our world–Regina brought over a few, and Rumple’s using one right now to keep his memories outside of Storybrooke. But there wasn’t any ambient magic in our world until Rumple brought it–and then apparently only in the boundaries of Storybrooke. Also, a magical item that requires ambient magic, like the hat, or Rumple’s dagger, is useless without ambient magic. The crystals that make the fairy dust reappeared when Magic came back.

Keeper of Belle's Gold magic, sand dollar, cloaks, purple FTL outfit, spell scroll, library key, copy of Romeo and Juliet, and cry-muffling pillow, Rumple's doll, overcoat, and strength, and The Timeline. My spreadsheet: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6r8CySCCWd9R0RUNm4xR3RhMEU/view?usp=sharing

[wizard55]

Its fun to think about this all. They always said the LOST island was the source of everything in our world….light/dark, death/birth, and there was speculation that the light was just a portal hence the smoke monster coming through….to a dimension with such creatures…similar to djinns.

So if you think about it that way then any magic from Lost Island is not originally from our world anyway….. I think we’ll just have to wait a little bit longer to get more on this we need to see exactly how Storybrooke looks/effects our world outside of it. I’m hoping we get some more revelations about this in the upcoming episode after Millers Daughter.

[thedarkjuan]

@medchen wrote:

So doo you think Blue fairy lied about the no magic or doo you think Baelfire was sent too a different world then ours??.

It seems that Blue Fairy didn’t know where Baelfire would go. You can read the transcript of the conversation between BF and Baelfire. The OUT transcripts website: http://ouattranscripts.wordpress.com/2012/06/03/1×19-the-return/

–[Fairy Tale Land – Past]–

(Baelfire heads to a deserted area of the woods and sits down. He then attempts to summon ‘Reul Ghorm’.)

Baelfire: Reul Ghorm? Are you there? If you can help me, please make yourself known to me.

(The Blue Fairy appears.)

Baelfire: Can you help me?

Blue Fairy: I can help.

Baelfire: How do I know I can trust you?

Blue Fairy: Because there is good magic and dark magic, and I’m on the right side.

Baelfire: You’re a fairy.

Blue Fairy: Oh. And you’re not untouched by magic, are you, child? There’s something dark in your life.

Baelfire: My father. He is the Dark One.

Blue Fairy: Oh. I can’t make him the man he was before, but I can send him someplace where he won’t be able to use his powers.

Baelfire: Not a jail. I want to be with him. Like it used to be.

Blue Fairy: Not a jail, young one, just a place without magic.

Baelfire: But magic is everywhere.

Blue Fairy: In this world, yes. You see, what ails your father is specific to our realm. His powers do not belong here. You must go where you can escape this wretched curse.

Baelfire: Go? We have to leave?

Blue Fairy: Yes. It is the only way. Can you do it? Can you leave everything here behind for the unknown?

Baelfire: If it means I get my father back, then yes.

Blue Fairy: You’re a very good son, Baelfire. You are the part of him that keeps him human. That little light inside of him that still glows. It’s his love for you. Hold out your hand.

(The Blue Fairy tosses him a transparent looking bean.)

Baelfire: What is it?

Blue Fairy: A magic bean. The very last one that is known to our kind. The others got away from us. You just use it wisely, and follow wherever it leads you. It will save you both.

(The Blue Fairy disappears. Baelfire returns home.)

[MysteryKat25]

The wording on the entire thing is very interesting. Possibly misleading to Bae of course but very accurate nonetheless. I especially like the part where she says this (even though the idea hasn’t come up yet from Rumple, the irony is amusing:

@thedarkjuan wrote:

Blue Fairy: In this world, yes. You see, what ails your father is specific to our realm. His powers do not belong here. You must go where you can escape this wretched curse.

I also love that you highlighted the “follow wherever it leads you” part. Can’t wait til we actually get to see the moments after Rumple lets go from Bae’s point of view.

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