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I don’t think RQ is Grace’s mother. Jefferson said he lost Grace’s mother because of his work so perhaps RQ killed her or did something to her.
Ah but what does “lost” mean. It’s like “undoing.” Lost can mean death but it could also mean that Jefferson lost the woman he loved if she became cruel and evil and altogether a different person. Is Regina still the same Regina Daniel loved after what she did to Snow or would he consider her “lost” too?
Something to ponder.
[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"A good point but I’m still not convinced. You’re right, “lost” could mean anything but it is the “because of my work” bit that is bothering me. We know Jefferson travelled between realms using his hat, for whatever business that was his work, so why did travelling between realms cause him to lose Grace’s mother? I think Grace’s mother was an innocent and had nothing to do with realm jumping. We know Jefferson gave up realm jumping to raise Grace which suggests that her mother wasn’t around to do it herself. Perhaps someone Jefferson crossed on his travels came seeking revenge and that caused Jefferson to lose Grace’s mother.
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Keeper of FelixI like RQ as both Alice’s lost older sister, and Grace’s mother. When we were talking about how similar Sophie looked to Grace, the “Aunt” was the idea that appealed to me, because I didn’t see Alice being the mother and the timeline didn’t work for Grace to be Alice’s mother. The Red Queen thing is a great twist on that, and I vaguely recalled that passage about Alice’s sister, but that makes it seem more ripe for them to twist things!
“Lost” is definitely ambiguous as a term. My temporary backstory here is that Jefferson found out about the “hat’s rules” in a scenario similar to the wardrobe problem for Snow and Charming (if Gepetto had never lied). So I think Grace’s mother traveled with Jefferson somewhere, while pregnant. She gave birth early, but it was dangerous where they were, so they rushed to the portal to leave, and he was carrying Grace. He stepped through first, and to his horror and shock, she was left behind. I’m trying to think of what we saw in the Doctor, as it is not clear that rule was mentioned there, or exactly how Jefferson brought Whale to FTL (who traded places? Rumpel?). If he did already know about the same number in/same number out thing, then that doesn’t quite work, but he still could have been caught off guard somehow.
I don’t know–but I do hope Stan’s schedule clears up for him to drop by Wonderland, even more than for Once (as it is in that whole NL arc) at this point.
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
It was when everyone was talking about Sophie resembling Grace that I got on the RQ = Grace’s mother kick because I thought Grace looked more like the actress playing RQ rather than the one playing Alice.
A good point but I’m still not convinced. You’re right, “lost” could mean anything but it is the “because of my work” bit that is bothering me. We know Jefferson travelled between realms using his hat, for whatever business that was his work, so why did travelling between realms cause him to lose Grace’s mother? I think Grace’s mother was an innocent and had nothing to do with realm jumping. We know Jefferson gave up realm jumping to raise Grace which suggests that her mother wasn’t around to do it herself. Perhaps someone Jefferson crossed on his travels came seeking revenge and that caused Jefferson to lose Grace’s mother.
One theory I’ve seen discussed a bit is that Grace’s mother was Jefferson’s +1 for hat travelling.
So, take the situation where Jefferson went to get Frankenstein…if he went by himself, then 1 went in, 2 came back, then 2 went back when he took Frankie home and then 1 came back when Jefferson came back home to FTL. Violates the rules of the hat: same number that go in must come back. Therefore, Jefferson had to have a travel buddy to make up the numbers, and maybe that person was Grace’s mother, who came along on the job whenever the +1 would be needed.
This would require Grace’s mother to be sitting around in different worlds, waiting for Jefferson to come back to collect her. So, let’s say one day he had a job in WL and needed the +1, so Grace’s mother is sitting around in WL waiting for him and gets kidnapped by Jafar who gives her magic and turns her into his minion, (not unlike what Rumple did with Regina).
Jefferson comes back, discovers what’s happened to her, realises there’s no way to get the real her back because that person is “lost”, (because he’s seen what happened to Regina and knows that there’s no coming back from that happening to you), and he ultimately has no choice but to leave her there and go back to FTL to raise their baby girl who is being babysat by the neighbours while her parents were at work. Explains Jefferson losing his wife because of his work. Explains why Jefferson hates WL. Even explains Regina’s little jab at him about not leaving family behind.
Maybe Jefferson originally took the RQ to WL and this caused her downward spiral into madness and villainy. That’s how he “lost” her.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I was initially really upset that Alice wasn’t going to be Grace’s mother. I think if they could have gotten unrestricted access to Sebastian Stan, they might have went that way. But plans change.
However, I’m really beginning to dig the theory of the Red Queen being Grace’s mother and Alice’s sister…or any combination of the three. None of us really believe that Grace’s mother is dead. These guys are masters at wording things. All the signs from using the word “lost” to Regina’s quip about not abandoning family point to something more to that story. Maybe, though, Jefferson thinks that Grace’s mother is dead, just like Rumple did of Belle in “Skin Deep”.
Since Once:Wonderland is an open and shut story, I can see then just dropping clues about Grace’s parentage, leaving it open to be brought up on the “mother show” in Storybrooke.
Keeper of Rumplestiltskin's and Neal's spears and war paint and crystal ball.
I’m confused by what open and shut story means. They want this to be a series, right? No just a one time show? With AHS, the cast changes a bit but they still retain some of the regulars.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"This is from earlier this month.
Naveen Andrews has been confirmed as a series regular for Once Upon a Time in Wonderland.
New promo of WL with footage of Naveen as Jafar!
In the clip, Jafar says he has “very special plans for her” (aka Alice)!
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
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