K&H Panel at D23 – August 10th (SPOILERS)

[Slurpeez]

pan14 wrote:

For this sake of this idea, let’s agree that Rumple is now fighting for more honorable causes. I think the doll could be a reminder of a dark past that he truly regrets. Adam and Eddie have said this season is about the characters returning to who they always were. Rumple was once a good man. We’re seeing him strive for that again. The doll first struck me as a toy from the Darling’s house. I’m not sure why. Seemed very Napoleon or something for some reason. What if Rumple brought a lot of kids to Neverland to trade for Bae, but PP refused the deal. Last year, we all thought the Wendy Darling could have some connection to the Home Office. I really feel like the Darling children have to come to Neverland eventually. I’m wondering if Rumple brought them there to trade for Baelfire. When Baelfire discovered the deal and that the Darlings were trapped in Neverland because of his Dad, Bae hated Rumple more. I’m betting Rumple had something to do with Baelfire and Hook escaping Neverland.

That is fantastic and chilling. It would explain a lot. Rumpel not getting Bae in NL, but knowing he was alive centuries later. Bae never ever wanting to see his father again–because he hurts those Bae loves. He isn’t just angry. He needs to protect everyone he might meet but he wants love and a family too.

I agree. It would be very utterly tragic and thrilling to watch. Poor Rumple!

The only thing left is how Bae gets out of NL to be the age he is when he does.

I think that is more straightforward. I think PP knows the future and he has known for some time that Bae would father Henry. So, when the right time came, PP released Bae to return to Earth where he met Emma and together they conceived Henry, the boy PP wants.

[kfchimera]

So one thing in the panel is, A&E say something like “It’s the jungle, and the  Heart of Darkness,”.  I can’t remember how it was phrased but immediately it put me in mind of the Joseph Conrad classic novel, “Heart of Darkness.” It might inspire some themes, in a similar way to Lord of the Flies that has been mentioned as a potential influence of the dynamics.

It reminds me of a throw-away line in Tiny, that humans took beans and exploited other worlds, as that novel is all about colonization/civilization versus natives….perhaps some tie in to the PP story with Tiger Lily?

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

[PriceofMagic]

We know the doll has some deep meaning for Rumple. Since the doll was a “gift” to Rumple from PP, what if the doll didn’t originate in Neverland and wasn’t brought there by Bae or Rumple, how did the doll get to Neverland?

Either the doll has something to do with Rumple’s past, something he thought he lost whilst growing up or it is something that Rumple or Milah made for Bae, perhaps his first toy, that Bae outgrew.

All magic comes with a price!

Keeper of Felix

[PriceofMagic]

I was just thinking, what if Neverland is like Jefferson’s Hat? We know the rules for The Hat are that the number of people that come in must be the same as the number of people that come out. What if when Rumple came in, Bae found this out and was able to leave. And when Regina came in (based on what JMo said), Hook was able to leave. I mean, we know ONLY Hook came through. This could be a great explanation as to why.

That wouldn’t work because otherwise how would Rumple and Regina have left Neverland?

All magic comes with a price!

Keeper of Felix

[RumplesGirl]

I was just thinking, what if Neverland is like Jefferson’s Hat? We know the rules for The Hat are that the number of people that come in must be the same as the number of people that come out. What if when Rumple came in, Bae found this out and was able to leave. And when Regina came in (based on what JMo said), Hook was able to leave. I mean, we know ONLY Hook came through. This could be a great explanation as to why.

Also, it could be an origin for The Hat, world-jumping and all. Maybe Rumple met Jefferson there after he found out Bae left (which is what I’m thinking, that Pan told Rumple he was too late) and wanted Jefferson’s help in crossing worlds. That, I believe, is why Jefferson was hopping worlds for Rumple: since he couldn’t use his Hat TO get to the Land Without Magic, he used it to find means to GET To the Land Without Magic. Just a theory, though.

I think it’s an interesting idea but could complicated way too fast. For example, 6 people went on the JR on a ship. But they want to leave with 7 (Henry). Henry went to NL with two other people but isn’t leaving with them (cause I think GOAT will be dead soon).

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[tiara_rose]

After I saw this sneak peek and heard the panel. A crazy idea is no on my mind. Rumple act like Peter Pan is his enemy and he fears him, but Felix welcomed Rumple and said that he could stay as long as  he wants, like Peter Pan would like it that the Dark One is near. Rumple is acting weired and out of his habit, he shows Felix that he is pissed of and don’t want to play games (not moving and circle while he is talking). I have to say Rumple reminds me extremely of Bae with moving the hands. Like when Bae was talking in Manhattan to his father (“You choose me for all this crap”). so know I believe that PeterPan is actually Rumple’s Dad, who was turned into a  boy/teenager and is now a prisoner as well sorts of ruler in Neverland, like Cora was. The straw doll is  actually a play doll from Rumples youth and reminds him of the time when he was full of hope and a had father. When everything was alright, before he was left alone.

I know that is stretch, but let me explain why, I got this idea.

1.) Felix said in the video something like Things we haven’t thought about in years (he really is stretching the word years)still  have the ability to make us cry. First I thought it is about Bae, but Bae was always on Rumples mind. It never left. His son was his first thought in the morning, the last before he rests his head and I am sure still haunted him in his dreams as well.

2.) Felix told him Pan is exited, welcomed him to stay as long as he wants, like saying your island is my island. I don’t want to be your enemy, altough why should Pan do this, when even Rumple applied that he his more powerful then him? He giving him a chance to back out, that he don’t want him to be dead and after he refuse Felix show the doll. Rumple is breaking again. If Peter was Rumple’s dead this could mean. “Son, I have abonden you, but I still care and think about you. Please I don’t want to fight against you, but I will if I have to. ”

3.) For me Rumple and Pan has some similars as well. Evrybody know their legends, but their real selves are more in the background. Also they understand the value of “sentimental little keepsake” and know how they get under skins of others. It appears at wells that Pan has a strong attachament to deals and quit pro quo.

4.) They didn’t give us the missing scene from Manhattan with small Rumple, seeing his father abonden him and dying. That means this is not yet really a part of the story and could be changed. I mean if all the first ideas would be stuck David’s name would be Richard. (because this was his name on the script) and their would be a scene with Belle trying to run away from the castle and run in the same room after another.( But she is a hero, who made her sacriface to safe her people so she wouldn’t risk to break the deal and let her family be killed, so this scene had not fit to character).

5.) This series is all about family and hope. Look on the family tree of Henry. He has already a strong bound on Enchanted forest, Wonderland and Storybrooke. It would be strange there wouldn’t be not such a bound in Neverland, specially when they were waiting for him over a hundred years. And I think that H & K hasn’t a problem to mess a little bit more with family tree. What would MM say: “Or, maybe this will mellow everyone out.”

Also we are not allowed to forget that how dark the character will appear. The person will always have another side of him. Nobody is 100 % Evil or 100 % Good, even if they will give us only teaser, where Pan is the most dangerous demon we will ever meet. Maybe Pan needs Henry to rescue him from a curse. The curse that bounds him to the island. Maybe he wants to be dead, like Zoso wanted it and Henry is the only way, who was prophezised him to get free of it, cause Henry is the strongest Believer in all the lands.

6.)History often repeats itself. Look, first we have Rumple, who was abonden by his father and wanted to be a better man for his son, but failed. Neal as well wanted not to step in his father steps, but with leaving Emma, he abonden his son as well.
First Henry has forgiven his father to not be there, cause he didn’t know. Then Bae try to forgive his father when he was dying, so why not complete it with Rumple get a chance to forgive his father as well.

7.) The Prophecy: The seer told Rumple: A boy… A young boy will lead you to him. But beware, Rumpelstiltskin, for that boy is more than he appears. He will lead you…to what you seek. But there will be a price. The boy… Will be your undoing.”
I always was suspicouis with her words. She didn’t say He will lead you to Bealfire or your son. No, she says: He will lead you to what you seek. Of course, Rumple was searching for his boy, but that is not all. He was searching his whole life to be respected, to be loved, to be a better man than his father, get a good life, to be brave, to proof himself, to have a family and find happiness, But until now he was not successful, but since Henry brought Emma to Storybrooke, the curse was broken, Belle appears, he tried to be a better man, he could not only find his son, but was also able talk with him and bring him back to his life and show that was more to him than just the Dark One, before he of course messed it all up again

Also I believe that undoing means the Undoing of the Dark One and not Rumples death, cause at the time she was speaking with him he was the Dark One in his first unstable state.

8.) H& K told us that the this season is about the core of the character, who they really are and Rumple is a broken man, but still believes that Happy Endings are exists, but unfortunately not for coward like him, so in the end he will try anything to let a little part of his family to have it. Unleast one time Bae can be proud of his old man and doing something right on his son, who Rumple failed so deeply. Maybe when he takes the path to his own death. He will find a way to be the little Boy again, who believed like Bae did and Henry do. But to achieve that he has to face his first crack in his soul that determined his fate, the desertion of his own father.

 

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[PriceofMagic]

I like the theory about PP being Rumple’s father. However, they already have Snowing as parents who are the same age as their daughter so I don’t know whether they would make a parent younger than their potential offspring.

All magic comes with a price!

Keeper of Felix

[RumplesGirl]

I really don’t want PP to be Rumple’s father. I can suspend disbelief for Snow and Emma but to have a 17 yr old be the father of 45 yr old Rumple. Ehhhhhh. That’s asking a little much from me.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[PriceofMagic]

I agree, I like the theory about PP being Rumple’s father but I don’t want it to happen on the show because it would be very visually jarring.

All magic comes with a price!

Keeper of Felix

[tiara_rose]

I don’t think that Carlyle will have problems to play something like that. I think he would love such a challenge, but I can’t manage to think of a young actor to get then PP part, but if sombody find somebody who can it is the cast team of Once.

Felix is incredible, his voice is already makes my flesh crawl and we didn’t see much of him yet, but as long he stays a little around I can wait a little bit for PP.

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