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Just throwing this out there but does anybody else think Lacey set that whole thing up? Like she made out with Keith to get Rumple mad and see if that would bring out that dark side she kept hearing about?
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@steliokontos1 wrote:
Just throwing this out there but does anybody else think Lacey set that whole thing up? Like she made out with Keith to get Rumple mad and see if that would bring out that dark side she kept hearing about?
Hmmm, interesting. I don’t know enough about Lacey yet, but she does seem a bit like a thrill seeker. She initially found Keith boring and unappealing, and she only went out with Rumple because she’d heard about his dark reputation. Maybe she did just want to draw that out of him by making out with another man. I’m not going to lie. Lacey just seems like party girl who doesn’t care about anything except having a good time, and at other people’s expense.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
I keep going back and forth in my head about if Lacey is her own person but Keith is taking advantage of the fact she isn’t really herself because her true self is Belle. This is why above, in my first post, I said it was a really gray area. Outside of the humorous “we were cursed!” moment from Snow and Charming, has anyone in SB had to take responsibility for what they did during the Curse years? Is the past, what the did, said, ect really swept under the rug? It’s like when the Curse broke and everyone remembered, their previous lives suddenly didn’t much matter (no matter how often people say they are both) because they were now their true selves. If that’s the case, Belle can’t control what Lacey does but “Lacey” really exist? I keep seesawing on this issue. On the one hand Lacey is completely fictional, she is made up character made up by Regina, but on the other hand, this young woman truly believes herself to be Lacey.
Ok. I’m rambling. Someone else take over.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"@RumplesGirl wrote:
I keep going back and forth in my head about if Lacey is her own person but Keith is taking advantage of the fact she isn’t really herself because her true self is Belle. This is why above, in my first post, I said it was a really gray area. Outside of the humorous “we were cursed!” moment from Snow and Charming, has anyone in SB had to take responsibility for what they did during the Curse years? Is the past, what the did, said, ect really swept under the rug? It’s like when the Curse broke and everyone remembered, their previous lives suddenly didn’t much matter (no matter how often people say they are both) because they were now their true selves. If that’s the case, Belle can’t control what Lacey does but “Lacey” really exist? I keep seesawing on this issue. On the one hand Lacey is completely fictional, she is made up character made up by Regina, but on the other hand, this young woman truly believes herself to be Lacey. Ok. I’m rambling. Someone else take over.
I think the latter case you presented is what is going on. Lacey really believes she’s this barfly party girl, and so she operates under that mentality. She makes choices that Lacey would make, not the choices that Belle would. She likes to have a good time, she likes bad boys, and she doesn’t seem to care much about what other people think. While there are moments where she says things that Belle would say, (e.g. “I see a man who wouldn’t hurt anyone”), Lacey is a different person who makes different kinds of choices and actually prefers it when Mr. Gold hurts others. And while Keith may have had his lecherous eyes on Belle/Lacey for a while, I doubt he knows she’s cursed. He doesn’t know Belle’s true character either or what kind of person she was in the EF. He just lusts after her looks, and he is a disgusting pig who thinks he can use women. For all he knows, Belle has always been like Lacey is now, and that includes dressing in a sexy way. He might be operating under the assumption that with the curse lifted, everyone is now back to normal.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
Yeah, I don’t think Keith is intentionally trying to take advantage of her- I don’t think he has any clue what’s going on. He is just flirting with her and she is reacting to it in a positive way which eggs him on.
@AngieBelle wrote:
Yeah, I don’t think Keith is intentionally trying to take advantage of her- I don’t think he has any clue what’s going on. He is just flirting with her and she is reacting to it in a positive way which eggs him on.
Yep. If he were someone clever like Rumple or Regina, I could wonder about him playing coy or knowing more than he lets on. However, Keith in both SB and Sherwood has proven that he’s an idiot who speaks without much thought. Without him actually knowing that Lacey is cursed, I just see him acting like a horndog and thinking that it’s welcome. It’s just not the same thing as him consciously taking advantage of the situation.
It would be quite interesting if they were to reveal that Lacey set Keith up to make Gold jealous and bring out the dark side she’s always hearing about. Belle always dreamed of going on adventures, so she does seem to have a thrill seeking side to her personality. Perhaps Lacey takes that aspect to a dark place.
I’m probably the only one, but I’m actually kinda curious about Keith’s SB persona. Still drunk and being humiliated for pursuing women who love other men, so not too much has changed. 😆
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I’m probably the only one, but I’m actually kinda curious about Keith’s SB persona. Still drunk and being humiliated for pursuing women who love other men, so not too much has changed. 😆Yeah, I don’t think the Sheriff changed too much. And the irony that THE Sheriff (of Nottingham) was not the Sheriff (of Storybrooke police). The lulz!
Was it consensual? Yeah! Lacey was loving it. She may well have initiated the encounter, and so what? Sheriff Keith is a drunk, horny git – just like Dr Victor Whalenstein is a bit of a tart regardless of whether he’s cursed or not.
Do you think Regina really came up with particularly detailed cover stories for everyone who came to Storybrooke? She claims she brought only the people she wanted to, but seriously…. she brought a LOT of random people she never met. And we’ve never met. We keep meeting these people – the bar tender at the Rabbit Hole, the Sheriff of Nottingham, the random population that fills up Granny’s every morning, noon and night…. we don’t know their stories. We have no idea what, if anything, they ever did to Regina to warrant being cursed. I get the feeling that a lot of flotsam accompanied Regina and her pet torture subjects in this curse. As so often is the case with Evil Regal, she thinks she had it all at her command, but she didn’t.
@Swanning-Off wrote:
@BeastWhisperer wrote:
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I’m probably the only one, but I’m actually kinda curious about Keith’s SB persona. Still drunk and being humiliated for pursuing women who love other men, so not too much has changed. 😆Yeah, I don’t think the Sheriff changed too much. And the irony that THE Sheriff (of Nottingham) was not the Sheriff (of Storybrooke police). The lulz!
Was it consensual? Yeah! Lacey was loving it. She may well have initiated the encounter, and so what? Sheriff Keith is a drunk, horny git – just like Dr Victor Whalenstein is a bit of a tart regardless of whether he’s cursed or not.
Do you think Regina really came up with particularly detailed cover stories for everyone who came to Storybrooke? She claims she brought only the people she wanted to, but seriously…. she brought a LOT of random people she never met. And we’ve never met. We keep meeting these people – the bar tender at the Rabbit Hole, the Sheriff of Nottingham, the random population that fills up Granny’s every morning, noon and night…. we don’t know their stories. We have no idea what, if anything, they ever did to Regina to warrant being cursed. I get the feeling that a lot of flotsam accompanied Regina and her pet torture subjects in this curse. As so often is the case with Evil Regal, she thinks she had it all at her command, but she didn’t.
That’s what I’ve been wondering. They’ve stated Regina created personalities for the curse, but there’s no way she knows everyone in the entire land! The curse took everyone in FTL except that bubble where Cora was. I also don’t think she sat down and wrote every detail of a character breakdown like you would for a work of fiction- the curse must do some parts automatically. For Lacey, she probably just came up with the basic set up of flawed barfly complete opposite of Belle and the curse filled in the rest of the details.
I suspect she has some control over it when she wants to, but it’s automatic the rest of the time. She said in Welcome to Storybrooke that everyone does what she wants. Her control is obviously not perfect, since David, for example, didn’t fall for her when she tried to seduce him as a last-ditch way of keeping him and MM apart–but Emma was in town by then, too, and that was weakening the curse.
But since it does seem to mostly flip the flaws/virtues of the individual, it can go on automatic pilot most of the time.
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@steliokontos1 wrote:
Just throwing this out there but does anybody else think Lacey set that whole thing up? Like she made out with Keith to get Rumple mad and see if that would bring out that dark side she kept hearing about?
Hmmm, dunno I’d go so far as to say it was a setup to see what Rumple would do, because I’m not sure she’s interested enough in him to go to such lengths. But I’ll bet she got Keith’s number when he tried to pick her up at The Rabbit Hole, and when she ditched Rumple at Granny’s and was all dressed up with nowhere to go, she gave him a call.
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