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Hi guys, I loved the last two episodes. However, I’m really unsatisfied with how they concluded the Lacey storyline. Anyone else in the same boat with me? (as opposed to the boat that Belle ain’t on, might I add!! Sheesh, I about had a cow when Rumple told her to stay…AND SHE DID) Anyways, I gave it a couple of days, and yes, its still bothering me that the character of Lacey was introduced, basically appeared to just be a distraction for Rumple instead of hanging out with his son and is POOF, gone. I know, I know, they may explore Belle’s issues with having been Lacey in S3. But after giving it time and thought, I really feel like that was a weird, unnecessary plot line. I had told myself it was going to lead to Rumple being more than he ever thought he could be, truly redeeming himself in order to bring her back to her old self, and hey, maybe we’d even get some good old romance in the mix. Feelin’ a bit let down and pretty confused, instead. Someone- anyone- want to explain to me why this storyline was needed? I’d LOVE to be convinced. Other than this little issue, totally love the show : )
[adrotate group="5"]No, I think you’re right.
Belle becoming Lacey really didn’t move the plot along that much. But I am happy it wasn’t dragged out too long. It would have sucked big time if Belle stayed as Lacey through season 3.
There could have been more potential for conflict with Gold/Lacey/Bae. Gold trying to be on his best behavior for his son but at the same time, he wants to be with Belle and the only way they can be, is to be bad for Lacey. Sadly, that aspect of that relationship was never really explored. We had one scene in Second Star to the Right where Bae broke up Gold/Lacey bullying Whale — but that was it.
I tend to agree, though I know why they did it. They needed Bae’s “death” to shake Rumple in a way that nothing ever could, and for that to happen he first had to fall into a really bad place emotionally, going super dark. I was convinced until about two days before Lacey aired that the persona of Lacey would only be around for that episode, that Belle would get her memories back in 19. I wonder if it would have played better had they introduced Lacey earlier in the season, had Regina not waited until episode 19 to inflict the curse persona on her. But the question is : when? Had they done it earlier, that phone call would not have happened and I wouldn’t trade that phone call for anything.
I’m really happy Belle’s back and I don’t need to see Lacey ever again, really, but I’m sure now that they are both, our Belle will be a bit different."He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I keep hearing people complain that the season seemed fractured, while I feel it was a long season once you really think back to all that was covered, I loved the arcs. This one storyline is the only one that makes me feel like they had intended to go one direction with the writing and then something changed in the writer’s room. I know their writer’s jobs aren’t easy but the downside to creating characters that people love is that you gotta do them justice and I’m so sad that they didn’t this time. And it really annoys me that Eddie and Adam keep saying they like Lacey–really?? They need to consult with Jane Espenson more because I don’t think the guys get what we dig about Rumbelle. Thanks for letting me rant!
I wonder if I would have like the Lacey storyline more if the resolution hadn’t been rather bizarre. While watching the scene in the moment I loved it (and still do) but I hated that it was this blue potion that had August’s hair in it. We had put together better theories here at the forum! Like the well water from Lake Nostos, or the fail safe destroying the Curse and thus the memory line. But Plot Device Blue Fairy struck again! I’m so happy to have Rumbelle back but the potion bothers me (though, glad to see that Chip is alive)
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"@obisgirl wrote:
There could have been more potential for conflict with Gold/Lacey/Bae. Gold trying to be on his best behavior for his son but at the same time, he wants to be with Belle and the only way they can be, is to be bad for Lacey. Sadly, that aspect of that relationship was never really explored. We had one scene in Second Star to the Right where Bae broke up Gold/Lacey bullying Whale — but that was it.
For a more prolonged conflict to happen Rumple and Bae’s relationship would have to have a more solid foundation than what they had at the end of the season.
When Bae met Rumple again he had absolutely no faith that shred of the loving father he once had remained in Rumple. The Queen Is Dead showed that deep down he still hopes that he can have the father he once had back and The Miller’s Daughter provided him that shred of hope, but the foundation was so tenuous that it only took one bad act from Rumple to dash that, returning their relationship to square one.
I think that’s intentional. RG covered the need to put Rumple in a situation that’d shake him like nothing else could, but I’d like to add another: Neal is a character to stay who has a ton of issues (I suspect he could easily surpass Pilot Emma in that department, and I never thought that could ever be possible) to deal with, chief among them being his relationship with daddy Rumple. The Miller’s Daughter made it pretty clear that Belle is essential to mend their relationship, but with so few episodes left there was no way they could ever do a Belle/Bae friendly and/or stepmother/stepson relationship justice, so Lacey also served to postpone a proper development of that potential relationship to a moment where they can take their time to evolve it into something really solid. At least I hope so. 🙂
Start THINKING about how BELLE can grow as a character as someone stronger and more resilient then the Belle that is with GOLD. To me she was just a doormat, VICTIM, someone that could be pushed around by GOLD, REGINA, her father and anyone else who came along. Remember the guys on the cart! who pushed her off. Belle needs to grow strong in herself before Gold returns. By becoming strong and independent does not mean she has to loose her sweet side, but she will be better able to deal with the seedier sign of life.
As I have said before I think Belle will dive into her beloved books in the library and learn magic from them. She will use the magic to protect the town and help the people. But she will be a different stronger person when Gold gets back… that is not to say that they will not be together but it will be on a different level. I think she will be a force to recon with.
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.I do think Belle will be a stronger person by the time she is reunited with Rumple, but I don’t know if it’s going to come about because she learns magic. We’ve seen what learning magic does to a person: Rumple, Cora, Regina. While she may be open to Rumple using magic more now that she is both Lacey and Belle, I think she draws the line at using magic herself. I posted here about how I think Belle will play an integral part in getting Bae back to Rumple and I think that adventure will enhance her character.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I TRULY hope that Belle does SOMETHING either in actions or as a character by the time she meets up with Rumple again. Personally, I think Belle did show that she was more than a doormat with the men in her life….her father didn’t make her go with Rumple, she decided. She even walked away from Rumple in Storybrooke once she felt that he was trying to ‘control her life’. If anything, I would say that is the theme to her character, rejecting anyone or action that tries to control her. She’s a smart cookie.
Sadly Belle herself has been treated like a plot-device since day one. Even in Skin deep, as awesome as that episode is, was more focused on Rumpelstiltskin and his pain. It was meant to be his episode. Not really hers. Then Dreamy, she gets a scene and we finally get to see a bit of her side of the story, but she it is only for a moment.
Season 2 starts, and we get some good moments with Belle and we finally see her a bit more and see her get angry at Rumpelstiltskin, and yet still be determined to save him. Same thing for The Crocodile, where she gets to put her foot down and demand that Rumpelstiltkin be honest with her or else she is walking. And it was great to see her tell her father off also.
And then we FINALLY get a Belle centric episode and it is great but that is it. Her personality is erased. And she is cooped up in the hospital until Regina pops up and tries to bring in a new personality (Lacey) because she is spiteful and has no life and Belle is an easy target.
Most of this season has been either Belle as the convenient plot-device, or Belle the victim. That is why I’m great with her staying behind–she can actually get a chance to be on her own (similar to The Outsider episode) and talk with the other townspeople and stand on her own.
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