"Landing" in Neverland

[MysteryKat25]

The portal should take the ship immediately through to Neverland if it behaves as all other portals have so far. (We haven’t seen what happened the last time when Hook went through the portal on his ship but I have a feeling that’s because we’ll see it this time).

BUT there is apparently an issue with going on land in Neverland. Wendy told us this and Hook basically said you can’t leave once you’re there. Obviously some have managed to over time: I believe the curse dragged Smee out, Hook somehow got to where Cora was in the EF, and clearly Bae found a way out eventually but IN GENERAL, it’s not supposed to be done, or at least easily so.

Now, we don’t know what current Neverland is like but Rumple definitely sounded a little scared. Let me repeat that, RUMPLE, aka THE DARK ONE knows that whoever is in charge (Peter Pan, shadow thing, whomever) is nobody to be trifled with.

The land issue: if it is specifically tied to setting foot on land, we have a little hope since they are all currently on the ship.

I know that many were hoping for lots of time with all of the characters trapped together on the ship (which should lead to some interesting fanfic over the summer) but my initial thinking before we even saw the ep was that if they follow the directions in the title then they’ll get there by morning. And then we saw the ep and they went through a portal which suggests they’ll get there immediately. Either way: no long wait on the ship.

HOWEVER, a thought struck me. If there is still a reason why people can’t / really shouldn’t set foot on land that would force them to spend a lot of time on the Jolly Roger. This is good for story-telling purposes as it is not easy to accomplish their mission as well as forcing the core characters to really interact with each other.

My theory for what will happen is this: they will have to learn to fly!

We know that Smee is a procurer of rare objects so it’s totally plausible that he may have collected some pixie dust over the years. Hook too could have gotten some somehow but not sure within this mythology yet (right now Smee seems like the more likely to have found a way).

Pirates are notoriously good hoarders: they get their treasures and don’t like to give any up, so more than likely, if there ever was a stash of pixie dust on board (happening AFTER what we have seen so far with Hook, Smee, & Bae in the past but before Hook goes to FTL), then it’s still there and could be of some use.

Not to overload the Killipan theorists but when I was watching Peter Pan the other day, Peter says that there are 3 things you need in order to fly: “Faith, trust, and pixie dust.” Hook is big on trust and there has been a lot of stuff between Hook & Emma / Hook & Charming with betrayals all over the place but eventually Emma trusting Hook to get them to Neverland (when she hands back the bean which has gotta be tough for her because that’s her only way to get to Henry). The trust theme would continue the core cast interactions all around with so many “reformed villains” that all hate each other all in one place with the good guys. They’re ALL going to have to trust each other so bringing in a storyline that involves even more emphasis on trust could be very interesting.

So back to the pixie dust: they’ll need to fly around (probably at night – not sure if we’ll even get to see Neverland in the daytime since they’re intent on making it so creepy!) in order to scout and figure out how to get Henry back. As long as they don’t “land” on the ground everything should hypothetically be ok.

I don’t think the overall mission of getting Henry back (and then getting out of Neverland) will be easy (especially since Rumple doesn’t seem to think they can get back to SB in which case do they try to go back to FTL? Do they stay in Neverland for a bit?) Having to fly around and not land on land and not get into too much trouble would stretch the storyline a bit rather than just showing up in Neverland, going all over the place and grabbing Henry.

There are sure to be fights to be had along the way and somebody may have to seemingly sacrifice themselves by setting foot on land, but since there was such a big deal made about it before, I’m wondering if it’s an opening to make them have to learn to fly at some point.

This is all assuming of course that what was true in the past according to Wendy is still true now but just a thought I had that has a lot of potential to be very fun / interesting story-wise.

[RumplesGirl]

My theory for what will happen is this: they will have to learn to fly!

We know that Smee is a procurer of rare objects so it’s totally plausible that he may have collected some pixie dust over the years. Hook too could have gotten some somehow but not sure within this mythology yet (right now Smee seems like the more likely to have found a way).

Pirates are notoriously good hoarders: they get their treasures and don’t like to give any up, so more than likely, if there ever was a stash of pixie dust on board (happening AFTER what we have seen so far with Hook, Smee, & Bae in the past but before Hook goes to FTL), then it’s still there and could be of some use.

Totally missed your post when you originally posted. Some thoughts:

I like the idea of pixie dust on the ship, because it totally fits with the pirate M.O. But can I suggest something else?
I think CGI flying is a bit tricky and might (given how the CGI stuff on ONCE normally goes, a bit cheesy) what if the pixie dust doesn’t let you fly but lets you step on Neveland and still be able to leave. It allows you to roam freely without being stuck.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[laurieanne]

I don’t think Smee is around anymore – he was turned into a rat and “scurried away” in S2.

They can’t be stuck in NL – something has to get around that. I like the pixie dust=free roaming idea, RG. And I think flying would be awesome if done well but I am laughing picturing Rumple and Regina flying. It would be comical or maybe it could be a dream sequence. Snow and Charming could pull it off, and Hook and Emma as well.

[MysteryKat25]

I agree that Smee is now a rat, I just meant that sometime when he was still in NL on the ship he may have procured some pixie dust for them and it could still be there.

I agree that the CGI could use some work so hopefully if they do this it will be done well. I like the idea that maybe pixie dust is a way around things like setting foot on land / leaving. I’m very curious as to how Bae and Hook left (we know that Smee was dragged out with the curse). Hmm, wait a sec…did we figure out Neal’s age for sure and does it have any correlation to when the curse happened? It should have been close at least so Bae either left shortly before the curse happened (in which case we’re back to how / why then since he was there for so long) and if it’s not then possibly Bae was dragged out by the curse as well as Smee which means how did Hook leave?

Hook didn’t suggest that there would be a way back last night but we only really saw the RumBelle part of that idea I think. Rumple’s whole thing was not being able to find Storybrooke again because he was asking Belle to cloak it but it sounds like he’s been to NL before or has at least encountered whoever’s in charge so…he should have gotten out too but he was the Dark One so maybe had some way out. Ahh so many ideas but I love the pixie dust idea for everybody else (Rumple hates fairies but I still think he went to Neverland to deal with mermaids / squid ink and if he knows who’s in charge then that pretty much confirms that he at least went right?)

ROFL at the idea of Rumple flying especially! I think the rest could probably handle it but Rumple would certainly be comical. Either that or he’d be totally awesome at it and blow everybody else away. Can’t decide which really. It relates to magic so he’d probably be great and it would be a great anti-parallel to when he was in the airplane which was clearly not his favorite way to travel. Rumple trusts in magic more than science after all. (Though I’m not sure, he may also have an issue with flying in general – who knows).

So…pixie dust should be used somewhere. As far as we know, you’re not supposed to set foot on land in Neverland, and we’re in agreement that if they’re gonna fly hopefully the CGI stuff is better. Did I miss anything?

Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.

[RumplesGirl]

Hmm, wait a sec…did we figure out Neal’s age for sure and does it have any correlation to when the curse happened? It should have been close at least so Bae either left shortly before the curse happened (in which case we’re back to how / why then since he was there for so long) and if it’s not then possibly Bae was dragged out by the curse as well as Smee which means how did Hook leave?

Unless Bae lied about his date of birth that appears on his Wanted certificate, he was 14 for a long time in NL and he came to our world in 1991. Thus the Curse hit before Bae left NL. Hook and Smee were already in FTL; Hook in the bubble and Smee not.

So…pixie dust should be used somewhere. As far as we know, you’re not supposed to set foot on land in Neverland, and we’re in agreement that if they’re gonna fly hopefully the CGI stuff is better. Did I miss anything?

I wonder if age is a factor. All the boys (and probably Peter) are 18 and under. Maybe it’s like an age line. Once you’re 18 you can step foot on NL without being “cursed” (for wont of a better term). And because NL is frozen, none of the young boys never age and thus can never leave.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[Demileto]

@MysteryKat25 wrote:

BUT there is apparently an issue with going on land in Neverland. Wendy told us this and Hook basically said you can’t leave once you’re there. Obviously some have managed to over time: I believe the curse dragged Smee out, Hook somehow got to where Cora was in the EF, and clearly Bae found a way out eventually but IN GENERAL, it’s not supposed to be done, or at least easily so.

Now, we don’t know what current Neverland is like but Rumple definitely sounded a little scared. Let me repeat that, RUMPLE, aka THE DARK ONE knows that whoever is in charge (Peter Pan, shadow thing, whomever) is nobody to be trifled with.

Honestly, I think it comes down more to Peter being this powerful force in Neverland, controling all of the land’s magic and having a vast army of Lost Ones devoted to his service, than any special magic that forces people to remain in the realm or in the land. Wendy said it herself, once you step foot there The Shadow (AKA Peter Pan) doesn’t let you leave; she was only authorized to because Peter had no interest in keeping her there.

[RumplesGirl]

Honestly, I think it comes down more to Peter being this powerful force in Neverland, controling all of the land’s magic and having a vast army of Lost Ones devoted to his service, than any special magic that forces people to remain in the realm or in the land. Wendy said it herself, once you step foot there The Shadow (AKA Peter Pan) doesn’t let you leave; she was only authorized to because Peter had no interest in keeping her there.

Possibly if he let Bae leave, which I put down to Peter having the gift of sight and seeing that Bae would father Henry, would mean Peter has total control over the island. He does seem to be a very powerful scary almost tyrant like figure.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[kfchimera]

I agree, the “can’t leave once you step foot on land” thing may not be that literal. How exactly do boys who cannot fly through portals or however the Shadow did it, get home? Wendy managed to talk the shadow into taking her back, but she had something to offer it–her brothers in trade. (Though why it took her in the first place I don’t know unless she intercepted it as it was trying to get to her brothers and she was just so relentless and bossy until it took her, but her brothers were too sleepy/scared to go).

Hook left NL before the curse struck, that much is known, because of the scenes in Queen of Hearts where he breaks into Regina’s castle to talk to Belle. That led to him being sent to Wonderland, to meet Cora, and that’s how he was in the forest with Cora.

It’s a good guess Smee went with Hook from NL to FTL, but did not go into the Queen’s castle. My question is–where is Hook’s crew? There were lots of guys on that boat in NL. We get to SB and Hook is sailing off alone. I know, meta-reason is they don’t want to film him gathering up all the extras then sailing off, ruins the flow and the lonely image of him on his ship. Yet logically where did they go?

Did they all die in NL and only he and Smee made it back to FTL ? Were they living in SB like Smee and Hook just didn’t care (pirate to pirate, what’d you expect?). Some versions of Hook after all show him as not all-that-loved, even mocked. It seems like Killian Jones commanded the trust and loyalty of his crew.

So my run-away train of thought is (because flying could be cheesy), that once you get close to NL, you are in the Pan’s domain and he can do nasty things to you (like rip your shadow) and that most of Hook’s crew are dead. He sacrificed them in a fight to rescue Bae, only to find out the Pan had let Bae go (for the prophecy). Then he told Hook about Belle and the Queen, and sent him on. Because he had forseen Hook bringing Rumpelstilkin to him on his ship (but of course, he doesn’t tell Hook that).

There is no time travel, but NL exists out of time. So when you enter it and when you leave it could put you further into the future in whatever land you go to, and it may not be the same amount forward for everyone. It would not really count as time travel as you could not go back in time doing this (further back then when you left, though less time could have passed in your home world than you spent in NL).

Do we know for sure that either Neal or Hook have said they’ve been alive for 100’s of years versus we’re just assuming they spent centuries in NL because of no time travel?

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

[MysteryKat25]

Liking all the theories so far! We gotta hold on to something over the break so might as well address some of the more random lines in the show and see what rabbit hole they can lead us down (cause goodness knows, Oncers excel at taking random little things and turning them into huge theories, some of which actually pan out on occasion – pun intended though not originally).

As for KFChimera’s question: Neal said that our world wasn’t his first stop or he’d be a couple of hundred years old. So going off of that, Rumple & Hook are also at least a couple hundred years old. To me a couple means 2 but nothing has been set in stone and sometimes people mean 3 but I think that’s pushing it for when Bae went through the portal so for now let’s say 2 for now.

Going off of that Rumple has to be 200 something and Hook…depends on your line of thinking. If Killian Jones was just a person living outside of Neverland who went off on a ship to travel the world with his fugitive dad who then left him and he stayed outside of Neverland then he is also a couple of hundred years old. Not sure if last night’s episodes changed any minds but I do know some have speculated that he was in Neverland before the whole Milah thing happened, maybe as a lost boy, I’ve seen the Killipan theory floating around etc etc, and then left and grew up. This would explain how he knew exactly where to go to find enough “time” to plot his revenge.

Now, that theory seems to have been knocked out by last night’s events (especially Killipan) BUT it is technically possible that sometime between when he left NL and went back to it that this shadow thing which is apparently under Peter’s control? Or something like that? is now running things, mean that things have changed.

I didn’t quite get that opinion last night and it sounds like this is his first time here but I am hesitant to rule out anything ever with this show until they reallllly give us a reason to because goodness only knows what they’ll do and you know what they say about assumptions…

That being said, as far as the age thing goes, hypothetically Rumple, Hook, and now Bae are 200+ years old. Also to keep in mind, NL time is a bit different and they can go through many days in a single day of ours so it probably seems like even longer than that for at least Hook and Bae. (Also gives creedence to the extreme reaction Bae had at the thought of being turned back to a 14 year old – he was that for so long of course he’s scarred for life! Yikes!)

Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.

[RumplesGirl]

So my run-away train of thought is (because flying could be cheesy), that once you get close to NL, you are in the Pan’s domain and he can do nasty things to you (like rip your shadow) and that most of Hook’s crew are dead. He sacrificed them in a fight to rescue Bae, only to find out the Pan had let Bae go (for the prophecy). Then he told Hook about Belle and the Queen, and sent him on. Because he had forseen Hook bringing Rumpelstilkin to him on his ship (but of course, he doesn’t tell Hook that).

So here’s the one problem I have with this. You and I may have discussed this before when I’v mentioned (I lose track of who says what…) but you’re right in that Hook left NL before the Curse and was in FTL when the Curse hit. However, from the information presented thus far, Bae was still in NL at the time of the Curse and did not arrive on our shores until 1991.

Do we know for sure that either Neal or Hook have said they’ve been alive for 100’s of years versus we’re just assuming they spent centuries in NL because of no time travel?

From the quote in The Queen is Dead that everyone now hates, Bae tells Emma that this world wasn’t his first stop when he left home and if it had been, he’d be a few centuries old. If he’s a few centuries old (I’m thinking he exaggerated for effect and is really only about 200) then Rumple and Hook are as well.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

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