Last 30 seconds

[antbee]

@Surayya wrote:

I’m thinking since no-one will see it coming & with so many star wars themes coming up- it’s to do with Henry’s future- be it good or bad…. Maybe it goes along the lines of ‘if events take course A) Henry goes all Darth Vader on EF’s butt- if they go course B) He goes all Jedi type thing- this could easily hold true for it being about Emma as well.

After all who would suspect Henry (or Emma) could turn Dark- It happened to Anakin 😉
It could come down to either something Rumple does or doesn’t do, Oh- or maybe it comes down to Henry learning magic or not (much like Anakin learning to use the ‘Force’ = him becoming Darth Vader – lol I almost typed Dark One then lol 😳 ) – there is a star wars parallel if there ever was one for SB 😉

This is an excellent point because K&H love Star Wars so much. Plus, I think the influence of Star Wars is so wide reaching that it’s reached this level like the fairy tales and other classic stories that OUaT has borrowed from that it’s not surprising that OUaT would eventually borrow elements from Star Wars. Of course, Star Wars was heavily influenced by a hodge podge of material like OUaT too, so they’re also both borrowing from the same original sources, which makes sense in these kind of hero’s journeys stories.

However, I think the prophecy is about how Henry will turn bad given all the spoilers talking about how chilling the last 30 seconds are and how some of the reviews have mentioned that something ominous happens concerning Henry. Emma is already cast in the role of the Savior, so I don’t think they would have her double as both. Plus, as the Savior, it would be more dramatic if there’s some kind of prophecy where she’s the one that must defeat this big bad who turns out to be her own son.

So I think in this case Henry = Anakin in that there’s potential for him to go to the Dark Side in the future, but instead of it being Henry that hears the prophecy like how Anakin sees Padme’s death which he inadvertently caused by trying to prevent it, it will be Rumple that sees/hears this glimpse of the future.

We have seen him reject what Regina does with magic in “We Are Both”, but we also see later on in the season that he actually is very fascinated by magic when Regina isn’t using it directly against someone for her evil purposes. I think that was to introduce a slippery slope that could happen with Henry since I don’t think he would outright reject magic like his father Neal would, and he could be in a position like his Grandfatherstiltskin was when he became the Dark One, where he thinks that by learning magic he could help people, not realizing that magic always comes with a price and that his good intentions could lead him down the wrong path like it did for Grandpastiltskin.

Plus, I think it fits in with the idea of nurture vs. nature that we’ve seen especially in the last episode and now in “Manhattan”. If he had been raised by Neal and Emma, who I would assume would have cleaned up their lives, although one never knows if they would have actually been able to, maybe he wouldn’t have taken this path. Not that I want to open up the can of adoption parents vs. biological parents, but I do think that it is something they’ll have viewers ponder in the future.

The only problem is that I think due to Jared Gilmore’s age that if we do see this “evil” Henry story line, I think he’s too young to pull it off. I don’t think they would dare to recast the actor either because I think the show would lose it’s heart, and many fans would hate the idea. So I think that we’ll see an older evil Henry either through glimpses of the future or by doing more with the time travel angle. If Bae isn’t Peter Pan, then we’ve already seen that Henry’s father has time traveled. So maybe Henry tries to stop something from happening thinking he’s saving everyone and gets caught up in time traveling, but eventually turns down this dark path. We already have the magic beans that may be able to transport people through time if Bae isn’t Peter, so there’s already a device in Storybrooke that Henry could use to do this.

[spinninggold]

I don’t think Henry will become dark… But being trapped between two worlds, having the story book…. I think the writersmight be heading into making Henry a seer.
The other possibility is that Regina might wanna sacrifice one Henry for another, especially under her mom’s influence. She can probably talk her daughter into the idea that Henry betrayed Regina by choosing his birth mother over her. So… that wil be interesting.

[Slurpeez]

@AntBee wrote:

@Surayya wrote:

I’m thinking since no-one will see it coming & with so many star wars themes coming up- it’s to do with Henry’s future- be it good or bad…. Maybe it goes along the lines of ‘if events take course A) Henry goes all Darth Vader on EF’s butt- if they go course B) He goes all Jedi type thing- this could easily hold true for it being about Emma as well.

After all who would suspect Henry (or Emma) could turn Dark- It happened to Anakin 😉
It could come down to either something Rumple does or doesn’t do, Oh- or maybe it comes down to Henry learning magic or not (much like Anakin learning to use the ‘Force’ = him becoming Darth Vader – lol I almost typed Dark One then lol 😳 ) – there is a star wars parallel if there ever was one for SB 😉

However, I think the prophecy is about how Henry will turn bad given all the spoilers talking about how chilling the last 30 seconds are and how some of the reviews have mentioned that something ominous happens concerning Henry. Emma is already cast in the role of the Savior, so I don’t think they would have her double as both. Plus, as the Savior, it would be more dramatic if there’s some kind of prophecy where she’s the one that must defeat this big bad who turns out to be her own son.

So I think in this case Henry = Anakin in that there’s potential for him to go to the Dark Side in the future, but instead of it being Henry that hears the prophecy like how Anakin sees Padme’s death which he inadvertently caused by trying to prevent it, it will be Rumple that sees/hears this glimpse of the future.

The seer’s prophesy could be two-fold: first about Rumple and then about Henry; both could have potential to do magic, and so be like a jedi knight who could use the force, for good or for ill. There were two very revealing spoiler tweets, which I think present a theme about being condemned to one’s fate vs. forging one’s own destiny.

The seer says:

“The future is a puzzle. With many pieces to be sorted. In time you will learn to seperate what can be from what will be.”

Later, Henry and Rumple have a very similar conversation:

Henry: “But you wouldn’t have to worry about stuff. You’d just know.”
Mr. Gold: “But that’s the great trap. The future is like a puzzle. With missing pieces. Difficult to read. And never what you think.”

There was another spoiler which was:

Fear the Seer
Despite our ‘rough-cut’ review copy of Sunday’s episode, the Seer truly is a sight for sore eyes – even with unfinished visual effects. Once you know your future, is there any way to avoid it, and does trying to escape fate simply seal the deal? We guess the lesson here is be careful what you think you know. Also, prepare for some predictions that will leave you scratching your head for episodes to come. http://www.screenspy.com/editorials/5-things-to-know-about-once-upon-a-times-manhattan/

At I first, I think pre-dark Rumple will confuse the “what can be” with the “what will be” and so seal his own grim fate as the Dark One trying to escape being a coward. Mr. Gold speaks as one who has actually fallen into the trap of thinking he could read the future with clarity. Yet, had he chosen not to listen to the seer’s prophesy involving a “can-be’ he might’ve avoided becoming the Dark One entirely. The seer’s prophesy could also involve Henry having the potential to be a very powerful sorcerer in the future, which sounds ominous when we hear it prophesied, bit doesn’t necessarily mean that Henry will become a Darth Vader type of figure (which is essentially what Rumple is in this show). We know that pre-Dark Rumple will hear a prophesy, which will lead him to his destiny of becoming the Dark One. I believe it’s because Rumple makes the mistake of confusing the “will-be’s” from the “can-be’s.” What we could see with Henry, however, could be a very interesting foil for Rumple’s character, and could create a kind of juxtaposition. Instead of becoming a dark figure, Henry could become a power for good. He could learn to avoid the same mistake, despite it being foretold by some creepy old fortune teller.

ETA: Here is a spoiler that I just saw. It’s similar to the ones we’ve already seen, but it adds a key piece of information.

Francesca: Share some OUAT scoop!
Do not miss the final minute of Sunday’s episode. It’s a game changer that involves a vow Rumple makes in a flashback to Fairy Tale Land. http://www.eonline.com/news/388547/spoiler-chat-scoop-on-glee-the-vampire-diaries-big-bang-theory-teen-wolf-and-more

So this “chilling reveal” comes in the form of a vow that Rumple made in the past based on a prophesy. I wonder if he vowed to harm whomever would challenge his power one day, not realizing it’d be his own grandson. That’d certainly be a shock! Back in the present, Mr. Gold realizes that he made this vow about a grandson he never even knew existed. Now the struggle will be to make sure that never happens to him or Henry.

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

[vampirefan12]

I think once Rumple finds out that Henry is his grandson and he was the one in the ”prophecy”, I think he will do anything to keep Henry from turning bad.

[andreth stark]

@slurpeez108 wrote:

ETA: Here is a spoiler that I just saw. It’s similar to the ones we’ve already seen, but it adds a key piece of information.

Francesca: Share some OUAT scoop!
Do not miss the final minute of Sunday’s episode. It’s a game changer that involves a vow Rumple makes in a flashback to Fairy Tale Land. http://www.eonline.com/news/388547/spoiler-chat-scoop-on-glee-the-vampire-diaries-big-bang-theory-teen-wolf-and-more

So this “chilling reveal” comes in the form of a vow that Rumple made in the past based on a prophesy. I wonder if he vowed to harm whomever would challenge his power one day, not realizing it’d be his own grandson. That’d certainly be a shock! Back in the present, Mr. Gold realizes that he made this vow about a grandson he never even knew existed. Now the struggle will be to make sure that never happens to him or Henry.

Mmmm… I think it depends on when did he make the vow…was it pre or after Dark One Rumple? because if it is pre-dark one, it could be something that turns the “master-of-puppets” Rumplestiltskin in the “good guy”, while if it is after dark one, it could be something much more frightening…

[midnight dreary]

@Vampirefan12 wrote:

I think once Rumple finds out that Henry is his grandson and he was the one in the ”prophecy”, I think he will do anything to keep Henry from turning bad.

I agree. I think the prophecy involving Henry will be the surprise “price” Rumpel is forced to pay for creating the curse. He’ll fight to keep Henry pure, but in the end, he might have to sacrifice himself to secure Henry’s safety. Maybe that will be his redemption at the end of the series? 😥

[maryrose d.]

@Midnight Dreary wrote:

@Vampirefan12 wrote:

I think once Rumple finds out that Henry is his grandson and he was the one in the ”prophecy”, I think he will do anything to keep Henry from turning bad.

I agree. I think the prophecy involving Henry will be the surprise “price” Rumpel is forced to pay for creating the curse. He’ll fight to keep Henry pure, but in the end, he might have to sacrifice himself to secure Henry’s safety. Maybe that will be his redemption at the end of the series? 😥

I don’t know if the prophecy is about Henry, I think that if Rumple knew his grandson was going to become evil, he would try to make sure it didn’t happen. I think that prophecy is about something else with the reunion, something bad is going to happen, I don’t know what though

Keeper of Swanfire's dream catcher, the Blue Fairy Plot Device, the contact name "Her", the lanyards, the trigger, the Netherworld room and necklace, Charming's quote on Thanksgiving, and PP's pic of Henry

[HappyEndings]

Like I stated earlier Henry has to be like the next star wars hero, the Outsider is from outerspace and so was Greg’s ring tone and the fact that Emma mention on a show once that who knew that she would be the mother of the next star wars guy something like that in my opinion.

[maryrose d.]

@HappyEndings wrote:

Like I stated earlier Henry has to be like the next star wars hero, the Outsider is from outerspace and so was Greg’s ring tone and the fact that Emma mention on a show once that who knew that she would be the mother of the next star wars guy something like that in my opinion.

I think that if this was in an interview Jennifer Morrison, who plays Emma, was talking about being the mother of Captain Kirt in the Star Trek movie, which she was… I don’t think this was about once, or star wars

Keeper of Swanfire's dream catcher, the Blue Fairy Plot Device, the contact name "Her", the lanyards, the trigger, the Netherworld room and necklace, Charming's quote on Thanksgiving, and PP's pic of Henry

[surayya]

The parallels between Anakin & Henry are kinda similar- they both grew up with single mothers- not knowing or having father figures, until great powers/life changing things step into their lives at approx 10yrs old- which was of their own causing- Anakin put himself forward for the podrace & Henry left to find his birth mother. Both had to leave their mothers as a result of their actions, which effected them emotionally (in a way so Henry did indeed ‘leave’, by leaving Regina for Emma- why would Regina even bother telling Henry he’s adopted anyway? She got him at 3weeks old, I’d have thought it would be more in her nature to never tell Henry he wasn’t hers, as then he’d never have a reason to think about looking for birth parents? That still bugs me big time- I dont get it 😕 ), which is when learning about magic/the force starts- with the best of intentions- Both are very keen to learn more about it (Henry with the BF & when Regina is making the potion).

Oh wait- doesn’t Anakin, foresee his mother getting killed or something & that is what essentially starts him on the road to going all Darth Vader on the Jedi? (My SW is very rusty). Could that be what Rumple see’s- Emma’s death turning Henry vengeful maybe.

Another thought could be that in order to “win” the final battle, a main character will sacrifice themselves or will be killed (I so hate even thinking about this, but E&A have already shown they will take down anyone for big emotional impact!)- maybe it’s at his hand Or maybe the point is more ‘is this what WILL come to pass or is it what MIGHT come to pass?’ & how will his actions affect the out come with the stakes so high………Either that Or Henry is really part Ewok & he get’s all his Ewok buddies to help take down the evil ones via stump & vine traps 😛 😉 – No one would see that coming 😛 😉 😆

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