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March 5, 2017 at 9:04 pm #333766RumplesGirlKeymaster
Gideon’s flashes of memory reveal that the Black Fairy likely treated him extremely harshly. Why do you think the Black Fairy wanted Gideon? What sort of life did she subject him to? Did she care for him at all? And why does Gideon think killing Emma will give him Savior powers?
[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"March 5, 2017 at 9:25 pm #333770Aaron StollParticipantSomething to do with blood magic. It’s always that and squid ink of course.
March 5, 2017 at 9:27 pm #333772RumplesGirlKeymasterAnd why does Gideon think killing the Black Fairy will give him Savior powers?
I’m a tiny bit frustrated by this.
In what part of the OUAT universe does Saviorhood work like the Dark One’s Curse? It never has; Emma is a Savior because she’s the product of the truest love and because of Rumple’s machinations with the Dark Curse. Aladdin is a Savior for some vague handwave-y reason involving being a thief with a heart of gold and a “diamond in the rough” (whatever that means).
Emma’s Saviorhood and Aladdin’s Saviorhood has little in common but it does have that neither of them had to kill another Savior in order to gain their status as Savior. Gideon is motivated by his own horror of a childhood and some sort of innate goodness that fuels his desire to save others from the Black Fairy–which in and of itself is interesting and a good narrative jumping off point–but confusing the Savior mythology (even more than it already is after the introduction of Aladdin) calls Gideon’s character into question. You could theorize that Gideon’s belief that killing the Savior would make him a Savior came from the Black Fairy but if Gideon has shrugged off all of the fairy’s other lessons (like hatred and evil) then why would he follow this one?
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"March 5, 2017 at 9:30 pm #333775bibliophileParticipantI don’t think it was killing The Black Fairy that he thought would give him Savior powers, I think he said he wanted to kill Emma to get Savior powers so that he could kill TBF.
And sure I can see given his, let’s call it ‘upbringing’, he might want to kill TBF. But why does he think he needs Savior powers to do it? And does it really make sense that Savior Light Magic is transferred through murder just like the Dark One Magic? That just doesn’t feel right.
March 5, 2017 at 9:31 pm #333776AKAParticipantAnd why does Gideon think killing the Black Fairy will give him Savior powers?
I thought he wanted to become the savior to save the realm from the Black Fairy. It sounded like to me that he wanted to defeat the Black Fairy because of his childhood and because she was evil and tried to turn him evil also.
What sort of life did she subject him to? Did she care for him at all?
I think she is being set up to be the big bad so no I think she is probably like Malcolm and could have cared less about anyone but herself. From the few small flashbacks we got it looked like it was an extremely abusive childhood. Poor Gideon.
March 5, 2017 at 9:32 pm #333777bibliophileParticipantAnd what exactly was TBFs motivation in all of this? I hope we get some answers at some point.
March 5, 2017 at 9:33 pm #333778AKAParticipantMaybe he feels that he needs to kill Emma to prove himself. Maybe he blames Emma in some way for the Black Fairy getting a hold of him and thinks if he kills this “savior” he will actually be a savior for the other realm. I mean I guess it could all be a point of view issue. Gideon thinks that Emma is actually a villain that allowed the Black Fairy to take him away,torture him, and spread her evil?
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March 5, 2017 at 9:34 pm #333779RumplesGirlKeymasterI don’t think it was killing The Black Fairy that he thought would give him Savior powers, I think he said he wanted to kill Emma to get Savior powers so that he could kill TBF.
Arg! That was my typo. Fixed!
And what exactly was TBFs motivation in all of this? I hope we get some answers at some point.
someone else asked this over hiatus–but why Gideon? Did she ever go after Baelfire all those years ago??
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"March 5, 2017 at 9:42 pm #333781AKAParticipantsomeone else asked this over hiatus–but why Gideon? Did she ever go after Baelfire all those years ago??
Only if she is actually Blue and then yes but not in the same way
March 5, 2017 at 9:44 pm #333783CorbinParticipantWhat bothers me about this plan is this: if you can gain Savior powers by killing a Savior, why didn’t Cora do that instead of trying to kill Rumple in S2? Why didn’t Rumple try to kill Emma throughout the entire show? How does something this big not come up sooner?
(Yes, I know why it didn’t, but I’m hoping for an in-universe reason.)
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