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There was a White King before Will married Ana. It was Ana’s first husband, the man she left Will for and how she became Queen.MAYBE…. Lily is his daughter, the daughter he had with his first wife (didn’t he have a wife before Anastasia?) How could that work out? Timeline issues are timelines issues. Also wasn’t there a picture of young Emma with Snow Queen and Lily and Snow Queen was trying to get Emma to use magic…or something
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Anastasia married the RED King and thus became the Red Queen and their/her reign was one of harshness. At the end of OUATW, when she and Will married, they became the White King and Queen of Wonderland – this was to contrast the previous reign by having them rule with truth and justice
Hmm… Lily as Regina and Robin Hood’s daughter? WHAT IF… Regina actually did go in that bar all those years ago and met Robin Hood. They were happy, they had a daughter…but Rumplestiltskin was not happy because he needed Regina to cast the curse. So he made a deal with the Snow Queen to erase Regina and Robin Hood’s memories of ever meeting each other… Regina would believe she never went into the bar, Robin Hood would eventually meed Marian, and life would go on as we had seen. The Snow Queen would have a “family” (Regina’s and Robin Hood’s daughter) as she always wanted. Not sure how they both ended up in our world… but I presume it has something to do with the Snow Queen’s abilities. I know – crack theory…
You know…this would actually fit well with Young Regina and Robin filming a scene together this past week. Perhaps the Blue Fairy undoes whatever memory charm is on them…but that would put Rumple in some serious danger of Regina’s wrath!
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Hmm… Lily as Regina and Robin Hood’s daughter?
WHAT IF… Regina actually did go in that bar all those years ago and met Robin Hood. They were happy, they had a daughter…but Rumplestiltskin was not happy because he needed Regina to cast the curse. So he made a deal with the Snow Queen to erase Regina and Robin Hood’s memories of ever meeting each other… Regina would believe she never went into the bar, Robin Hood would eventually meed Marian, and life would go on as we had seen. The Snow Queen would have a “family” (Regina’s and Robin Hood’s daughter) as she always wanted. Not sure how they both ended up in our world… but I presume it has something to do with the Snow Queen’s abilities. I know – crack theory…
Interesting idea. How would you fit in the story with Tinkerbell losing her wings? I would suggest to have Regina meet Robin though still after the events of the tavern, then Tinkerbell’s story might be not that much altered, and we wouldn’t get headaches about that we have been shown, Regina didn’t went into the tavern. Although would have to explain how no one else remembered Regina’s pregnancy at all, we’re talking here after all about at least 9 months of memories to change for not just Regina and Robin but pretty much all of the Enchanted Forest. As bonus could hint, that the Blue Fairy and the Snow Queen were in contact, adding more fuel to the shady Blue Fairy theory.
Not liking to make Lily the daughter or relative of any of the main cast, but think if you work on the theory it might lose a bit of it’s crack nature and could make a good fan fiction even (which goes for a lot of crack theories I’ve seen about OUaT in general, just need to sit back a bit more and think it through with look at other events, characters and developments in the Once universe, after all this is fantasy and so a lot can be made possible).
Could Lily be the black fairy? Her star was black plus blue fairy is known as blue Star.
Aside that I felt like Maleficent was the candidate for Black Fairy, at least she was the first I though of when Snow first talked abut a Black Fairy, it’s an interesting idea. Though the star was flesh colored, more of a birthmark kind, but the association with black comes up easily I think, because Lily is dark haired phenotype. Yup, cliche, but one that works pretty fine with Regina and Emma, while Snow always was a big exception phenotype wise. Interesting that the show has as redheads one very cute, innocent one, aka Aurora (redhead fitting to the name though), and one nasty, wicked one, aka Zelena (Cora was brown with maybe slight reddish touch). But that is just by the way.
Another option I had been musing about for the Black Fairy has been for a while now Morgan Le Fay. Bringing this together with the idea that the hat might send magical beings to a land without magic while absorbing their magic, or Lily been set free but without her magic, the thought, that the sorcerer of the hat could be Merlin or someone who might have gone by the name Merlin for a while but is known under different names in other places… Why not mix it all into one idea. Lily is, or has been, or will become (again) Morgan Le Fay (le fay = from la fee = fairy) who was/is the Black Fairy.
Another rather spontaneous idea of mine is the Morrigan. Ocassionally Morgan Le Fay is brought in connection with the “Phantom Queen”, an Irish goddess of war, or a figure somewhat alike the Nordish Valkyries, but though the names look related they are not. (As some people confuse as well Morgause and Morgan).
There is a rumour floating around, that there might be three female villains in season 4B, based on hearsay and assumptions though, so no ones knows how reliable that is. We know, Maleficent will be back, so someone had the idea, based on A&E liking twists, that the three could be the three formerly good fairies from Sleeping Beauty. Now I had a bit of a different thought and that brought me to Morrigan, who is often depicted as one of a trio of goddesses of war. I know, it looks like already the Snow Queen might be part of a three sister thing, but they like to recycle, don’t they, and I am thinking more of three sisters in evil (don’t need to be blood related at all), each having had their own reasons to turn to doing evil things, but teaming up, well, against Rumple I would say. Have to up things a bit, don’t we, one villain against Storybrooke might not do it anymore). A grown up Lily could be one the three.
Did anyone else think that perhaps Lily’s family is abusive/neglectful? She did seem extremely upset when her father found them. Children from abusive neglected homes don’t always feel safe telling people about the abuse/neglect.
It could be that she thought Emma was a way out of her situation.
A possibility but not necessarily. Lily was adopted, we don’t know at what age, but either way, she might feel like she’s not in the place where she should be, even without any abuse. (Heck, I was not even adopted, and there was no abuse, and as teenager for a while I felt like my family wasn’t my family, not understanding me, not seeing me, and was doing some stupid stuff because of it)
You’re right, people don’t feel safe telling others about abuse/neglect, most of the times, but I didn’t get that feeling of Lily in any scene. From what I got from that scene Lily was upset because her dream of teaming up with Emma, being her best friend, running away, having a family of her own choice, was busted, and Emma was learning, that Lily had lied to her, and Lily knew that would now drive Emma away.
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Now that we’ve had it confirmed that we’ll see Lily again, I’m more curious about who could be.
She wore a black hoodie, though she never had the hood up, but if she had have, she’d have been wearing a black hood, which would have made her look a bit evil. Due to that, and the name Lilith which has the demon association, I wanna say that Lily isn’t a good girl.
She seemed to be wearing a key, which it’s impossible to get a good, clear screencap of, but you can tell the shape from the shadow in this one…
And she wore a cuff, which reminded me a bit of the hat box…
Now that we’ve had it confirmed that we’ll see Lily again, I’m more curious about who could be.
She wore a black hoodie, though she never had the hood up, but if she had have, she’d have been wearing a black hood, which would have made her look a bit evil. Due to that, and the name Lilith which has the demon association, I wanna say that Lily isn’t a good girl.
She seemed to be wearing a key, which it’s impossible to get a good, clear screencap of, but you can tell the shape from the shadow in this one…
And she wore a cuff, which reminded me a bit of the hat box…
I believe we have seen Snow White wearing a key necklace before in S2. I don’t know if that means anything in conjunction with Lily. I’m also not convinced Lily is evil. She may have good and bad in her as her nick name and given name suggest both good and evil meanings. Also good call with the cuff she is wearing on her wrist. I’m still on my crack theory kick that Lily is the sorceress of the hat.
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She seemed to be wearing a key,
Also doesn’t the hat box have a lock on it? Hmmm…. This is so very curious T_T I just really hope she isn’t evil.
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Also doesn’t the hat box have a lock on it? Hmmm…. This is so very curious T_T I just really hope she isn’t evil.
I hope she is. Once could do with an idga* kind of villain after two ‘all I need is love’ villains in a row. I hope she has no motives other than to get her hands on the hat and make people’s lives a misery.
A thought I had is that she could be the Sorcerer’s daughter who he banished to our world because she was side-eyeing the hat (and its power) too much (maybe she killed him for the hat but with his last dying breath he sent her here to keep her greedy hands off it). Or maybe there was a prophesy about her and he sent her away when she was young to protect the land. Perhaps she knew who Emma was as soon as she saw her, and saw Emma as a way to get back to the EF.
Lilith is a strong, independent woman who defied God by not submitting to Adam, and was punished harshly as a result. If Once’s Lilith is based on the Jewish myth they had better do her justice, because she’s one badda** lady imo.
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"there’s lesbians in it"It might be worth mentioning that in the CS Lewis tradition, Jadis–the White Witch who brings the long winter–is rumored to be descended from Lilith, at least in The Lion, The Witch and the Wardrobe. In The Magician’s Nephew, though, her origins are fleshed out a bit more but while that book is chronologically before Lion, Witch, Wardrobe, it was written toward the end of the Narnia cycle.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"It might be worth mentioning that in the CS Lewis tradition, Jadis–the White Witch who brings the long winter–is rumored to be descended from Lilith, at least in The Lion, The Witch and the Wardrobe. In The Magician’s Nephew, though, her origins are fleshed out a bit more but while that book is chronologically before Lion, Witch, Wardrobe, it was written toward the end of the Narnia cycle.
That makes sense, since Lilith is meant to be the mother of all demons, as was part of her punishment, iirc.
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