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Not sure if this is the appropriate thread but, now that hades is in the upper world…what exactly was his….method of doing this?
1) He wanted Cora to get REGINA out of the Underworld
and 2) He stole Zee’s baby….why, exactly? And why was he preventing Emma and the gang from helping other souls leave? When he left, they would be free to leave anyway…I don’t understand…[adrotate group="5"]"I could have the giant duck as my steed!" --Daniel Radcliffe
Keeper Of Tamara's Taser , Jafar's Staff, Kitsis’s Glasses , Ariel’s Tail, Dopey's Hat , Peter Pan’s Shadow, Outfit, & Pied Cloak,Red Queen's Castle, White Rabbit's Power To World Hop, Zelena's BroomStick, & ALL MAGICYour questions are pointless.
But 1) Hades said something about changing his mind and deciding to keep the heroes forever
2) I guess Hades trapping the souls is like a backup plan? In case going topside didn’t work out?
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"What if Zeus was the one who set the traps to frame Hades? I mean, anybody who knows mythology knows that Orpheus and Euridice failed because he looked back too soon.
I agree especially with the ambrosia because how would Hades have passed the test when he didn’t have true love until Zelena was there. I think we’re meant to believe it’s Hades when in fact it’s someone else.
But how did Zeus get past? If they try to tell me that Zeus and Hera have true love, I’ll laugh until my sides hurt.
He brought his nephew Anteros with him. Like Emma, a personification of True Love.
He brought his nephew Anteros with him. Like Emma, a personification of True Love.
Sure why not.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"But how did Zeus get past? If they try to tell me that Zeus and Hera have true love, I’ll laugh until my sides hurt.
If Zeus created the test then it might have no effect on him. Kind of like how, because Pan created the magic cuff it had no effect on him.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixBut how did Zeus get past? If they try to tell me that Zeus and Hera have true love, I’ll laugh until my sides hurt.
If Zeus created the test then it might have no effect on him. Kind of like how, because Pan created the magic cuff it had no effect on him.
And the purpose of the Zeus created test was to…what? Make sure Hades never left because there was no way (in Zeus’ mind) that Hades could ever have true love? I guess that makes sense but that’s a whole lot of plot that needs answered in the next week or so.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"But how did Zeus get past? If they try to tell me that Zeus and Hera have true love, I’ll laugh until my sides hurt.
If Zeus created the test then it might have no effect on him. Kind of like how, because Pan created the magic cuff it had no effect on him.
And the purpose of the Zeus created test was to…what? Make sure Hades never left because there was no way (in Zeus’ mind) that Hades could ever have true love? I guess that makes sense but that’s a whole lot of plot that needs answered in the next week or so.
Maybe Zeus was dangling the carrot, knowing Hades couldn’t reach it. “If you want to get out of the underworld, all you have to do is eat some ambrosia. but to get to the ambrosia you gotta have true love which would also get you out of here because it unfreezes your heart and opens a portal. What’s that bro? You don’t have true love? Too bad, guess your stuck down here for the rest of eternity! hahahahahahahaha!”
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixMaybe Zeus was dangling the carrot, knowing Hades couldn’t reach it. “If you want to get out of the underworld, all you have to do is eat some ambrosia. but to get to the ambrosia you gotta have true love which would also get you out of here because it unfreezes your heart and opens a portal. What’s that bro? You don’t have true love? Too bad, guess your stuck down here for the rest of eternity! hahahahahahahaha!”
Yeah I’m beginning to think more and more that Zeus is actually a horrible person and Hades is just misunderstood.
Other than wasting time so he could go through hoops to convince Zelena they were TL…
Why wouldn’t Hades have told them the information in this episode much earlier? If, as he professed, he wanted to keep souls in UW, and the hero’s gave the souls hope that he didn’t want them to have…. Why not tell the heroes: your heart-split plan sucks & here’s why…. If that doesn’t convince the heroes to go home without Killian then tell them about the ambrosia back-up plan and tell them to bring you back up some (or steal it from them)? Was this why their names were written on the head-stones, to extend their stay in the UW from a plot-point POV?
Of course there is trust issues, but this definitately makes it feel like this whole half a season was either just all plot distractions to get to this point (even with its high points), and/or a very extended kind of secret love + power seeking story that depended on executing well-timed, and well-laid, plans? To get to Zades TLK and leaving the UW at the same time the heroes would busy with a futile mission, so he could give Zelena what he/she/they thinks she wants or deserves?
On one level it may seem kind of genius chess-playing on Hades part, and at least partly for good intentions, but somehow it leaves me dissatisfied.
(& if this was frame-job Hades wouldn’t even know that it was a futile mission, but I am too tired to analyze further at the moment)
In spite of the fact that I’ve really been enjoying Hades overall this arc, his motivations are as unclear as the red tinted sky in the Underworld. He didn’t want hope to spring amongst the souls because then they’d leave the UW but the second he gets TLK and his heart unfreezes, he leaves so who cares if there are souls there or not? The only explanation would be if he didn’t think he has TL with Zelena and needed a back up plan in case he was stuck in the UW for all of time, but then if he was really in doubt over that, then TLK shouldn’t have worked at all, right?
I’ve been stressing in a few place that he and Rumple are being heavily paralleled and I think it holds water–both men want it all–the girl, the true love, the power and maybe the show is driving home the fact that people can’t have both and that love is more vital–but unlike Rumple, who I’ve been sitting with for five years, I don’t quite get what Hades wants or what his inner damage is (he can talk about his brother Zeus but until we SEE it, he’s a rather unreliable narrator). Rumple wants power so he can control his own life because he’s lacked proper control stemming from his abandonment as a youngster. But Hades is still too intangible; he has a lot of present day screen time (in which his motivations get fleshed out but still rapidly change from week to week) but because we have no backstory for him that really gives a glance into his inner thoughts, it’s hard to know what’s really going on.
Was this why their names were written on the head-stones, to extend their stay in the UW from a plot-point POV?
And that’s the real answer, honestly. The writers needed the heroes to stay in the UW for the whole season so they had to find some way to extend it. I mean, they even gave Hades a line about “changing his mind” and deciding to keep everyone in the UW instead of getting everyone (just Regina?) out in 512. This tends to happen every arc, though. The story stalls and our characters end up standing around discussing one particular plot point (a la “the mushroom!”) and the story moves only by piecemeal until the big climax which seem cobbled together with glue and tape. (and again, I’ve really been enjoying Hades and even Zades this arc!)
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
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