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I think the heart has a definite effect on someone….like Regina said, you feel but not as intensely. BUT, the difference with Regina and everyone else is….as Snow White so beautifully put it, Regina feels things with not just her heart, but with her entire soul and being. Which is more than likely how she was able to fall in love so fast with Robin Hood, and is very mama bear protective of her kids(Henry and S3 Snow) and family.
The Robin and Regina relationship, I will admit that I did initially think that it was too fast, but Sean Maguire and Lana Parrilla put things into perspective. It was “Love at first sight”, and they were soul mates, destined to be together….that explains why their love progressed so fast. And of course, we cannot forget the missing one year, where the two of them had a lot of flirtatious, pent up sexual tension, heated/aggravated, child like affections for one another….so the beginning of their relationship really was built upon that one year, it just didn’t become a thing till Robin and Regina got to Storybrooke.
“There’s a lot of tension between them. I like to think of them as eight-year-olds in third grade, pulling each other’s hair when they someone, or punching a girl in the shoulder on the playground. They’re working together, they’re fighting together but it’s just all that frustrated built-up tension and sexual attraction that they don’t know how to be adult about.” – Lana Parrilla
[adrotate group="5"]"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
It was “Love at first sight”, and they were soul mates, destined to be together….that explains why their love progressed so fast.
So are Snow and Charming and yet their relationship over the course of S1 flashbacks were staged so that there was an element of drama. They were constantly foiled or separated, never knowing if they’d actually manage to get together. Regina and Robin, during the missing year, are literally in the same place, at the same time, and apparently with a lot of built up tension….and nothing. Not even any kind of development on the romantic front. Just some snark and eye glances. There were no quiet moments of contemplation in each others company, even when Robin was taking Regina inside her castle and after she faced down Zelena. Regina’s first instinct was to destroy Zelena, nothing about Robin or a connection or any development there.
Snow talked with Ruby, expressed her fears. Regina, when prompted by Snow, made a sarcastic remark about odors. There was no drive to be together. Belle went on an adventure to hunt monsters before deciding that she belonged with Rumple; Snow and Charming–do you want me to list all the things that stood in their way? Yet they fought for it. Neal opened the Black Vault of Goo to cross realms and get back to Emma and Henry. Hook sold his ship to get back to Emma. Yet for Regina and Robin, two souls with some sort of connection as you say, in the same place at the same time under strenuous circumstances…nothing.
And this is how ONCE is presenting something they have labeled clearly for the first time as “soul mates.”
So what does that tell us about the concept and how their love story, which is supposed to be “second chances,” has played out?
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"OUAT is a show that explores the darkest part of each character, the part that committed heinous crimes. Can such a person love again and be loved in return?
Each character, like Rumple, Regina, Cora, Snow, have intentionally harmed another or a village. Yes, we all know that.
What the writers are conveying to its audience, is that love is the only power that can transform the darkness inside their hearts. LOVE.
Love is positive and available to everyone. NO ONE IS EXCLUDED.
IT IS NOT ‘GOOD PEOPLE’ ONLY RG.
I enjoy reading your insights and thoughts regarding OUAT. But not this time.
I was voicing my thoughts and my take on this show that resonates with me.
Pain, childhood horror, abuse, could have led me on another destructive path. I chose LOVE, UNDERSTANDING, FORGIVENESS and most important, exploring my own fears and my darkest places so that I could understand emotional turmoil and feel empowered to forgive.
RG, I wish you peace and joy in your life.
Be who you are, and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind. Dr. Seuss
Snowing however….hmmm….yeah, I will agree that at times it does seem obsessive, and slightly annoying to watch these two never face problems. After Season 1, all their problems with one another vanished….I think we need some issues for them besides a villain coming to kill their family. Even a fight about what to paint the nursery would have been more entertaining than seeing those two cuddle up 24/7!
Rumbelle….the only issue I have so far is Rumple killing Zelena, lying to Belle, and covering it up with a proposal. Other than that…Rumple, like Regina, may have a long history of darkness with a long trail of crimes behind him, but even villains deserve second chances. He’s a man whose been through a lot in life, and every Oncer should take that into account…has his recent choices been in the right, of course not, but “bad habits do die hard”. And the only thing he can do to right his current wrong is admit that he killed Zelena, and face the music. After that, there’s nothing else he can do, but learn from his mistakes, and move on with his life.
CaptainSwan….is just….I have no real issue with them. I just have to get over the fact that Hook not only stole Rumple’s wife from him, but now he’s dating his almost step-daughter in law. I mean, he slept with Neal’s mother, and now he had a thing with Neal’s baby mama….it’ll just take time getting used to that. But if it’s written correctly, I’m sure the writers can make us forget the whole issue, and love the new ship that’s sailing. Long as Emma’s happy in the end.
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
Love is positive and available to everyone. NO ONE IS EXCLUDED. IT IS NOT ‘GOOD PEOPLE’ ONLY RG.
RG, I wish you peace and joy in your life.
When, in a million years, have I EVER said that love is exclusive? My OTP on this show is Rumbelle, in which one man has been shown to be wicked over the course of three hundred years doing horrible things time and time again and yet I root STRONGLY for him and for that ship.
I take such serious offensive to this right now.
This thread is THEORETICAL. I am trying to get at the root of a moral message involving love and romance on ONCE. It has nothing to do with me, it has nothing to do with my two ships, it has nothing to do with feelings I have toward individual characters or certain ships or the show as a whole.
I have been posing questions to every single ship here, every person. I have taken EVERY ship to task, including my own two.
Every time someone comes up with a solution or an answer I respond BACK with more questions. That’s the point of this entire thread. It’s an exercise in the Socratic Method to get at what is going on ONCE. You are more than welcome to share insights, but that doesn’t mean I don’t get to respond the same way I’ve been doing with every single thought here.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"It was “Love at first sight”, and they were soul mates, destined to be together….that explains why their love progressed so fast.
So are Snow and Charming and yet their relationship over the course of S1 flashbacks were staged so that there was an element of drama. They were constantly foiled or separated, never knowing if they’d actually manage to get together. Regina and Robin, during the missing year, are literally in the same place, at the same time, and apparently with a lot of built up tension….and nothing. Not even any kind of development on the romantic front. Just some snark and eye glances. There were no quiet moments of contemplation in each others company, even when Robin was taking Regina inside her castle and after she faced down Zelena. Regina’s first instinct was to destroy Zelena, nothing about Robin or a connection or any development there. Snow talked with Ruby, expressed her fears. Regina, when prompted by Snow, made a sarcastic remark about odors. There was no drive to be together. Belle went on an adventure to hunt monsters before deciding that she belonged with Rumple; Snow and Charming–do you want me to list all the things that stood in their way? Yet they fought for it. Neal opened the Black Vault of Goo to cross realms and get back to Emma and Henry. Hook sold his ship to get back to Emma. Yet for Regina and Robin, two souls with some sort of connection as you say, in the same place at the same time under strenuous circumstances…nothing. And this is how ONCE is presenting something they have labeled clearly for the first time as “soul mates.” So what does that tell us about the concept and how their love story, which is supposed to be “second chances,” has played out?
Well….one thing about it RG, we were not shown Everything in that missing year, we only went back to it four times I believe. And Robin and Regina had that elementary school love, you remember what it was like….boy pulls your hair, you throw mud in his face, you call each other names, but deep down both of you have crushes on one another, you’re just expressing it in a childish way. That was the beginning of Robin and Regina’s relationship, along with constant flirtatious remarks…..so there was definitely something there! It was just different than how the rest of the couples began
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
Well….one thing about it RG, we were not shown Everything in that missing year, we only went back to it four times I believe.
I’ve said this a few times now WR: I am working ONLY with Canon text. Not things that may have happened off stage or that fans think may be shown someday. Only what has been put forward by the show over the course of 66 episodes, no more no less.
That was the beginning of Robin and Regina’s relationship, along with constant flirtatious remarks…..so there was definitely something there! It was just different than how the rest of the couples began
Okay, different. Fine. But I’m honestly more concerned with ONCE”s notion of soul mates via pixie dust than I am with the specifics of Robin and Regina and how you, the shipper, see that relationship on screen. I’m honestly not bashing nor defending any one ship…I’m trying to puzzle out what moral we take about love from ONCE using the ships as our launch pad.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Snowing however….hmmm….yeah, I will agree that at times it does seem obsessive, and slightly annoying to watch these two never face problems. After Season 1, all their problems with one another vanished….I think we need some issues for them besides a villain coming to kill their family. Even a fight about what to paint the nursery would have been more entertaining than seeing those two cuddle up 24/7!
Let’s see. In Season 2 there was that subplot of Charming wanting to go back to the Enchanted Forest, but Snow wanting to stay in Storybrooke. Their disagreement on the subject could have been progressed further, but instead Snow just decides to agree with Charming because restoring the land is a way for her to heal her blackened heart. Season 3 of course had Charming hiding the fact that he was poisoned with dreamshade, and later on hid the fact that the cure meant that he couldn’t leave Neverland. When Snow finds out, she’s of course ticked off, but she quickly gets over it in the next episode after talking it out. Of course it’s fine and dandy when Rumple quickly comes up with a cure he can make back in Storybrooke. This goes back to the rug sweeping issue mentioned before in this thread.
I’m trying to puzzle out what moral we take about love from ONCE using the ships as our launch pad.
I think that the show is sending the message — and I hope it’s not intentional — that love conquers all. Not just impediments to healthy relationships, but all: sensible judgement, accountability, justice…
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I think the heart has a definite effect on someone….like Regina said, you feel but not as intensely. BUT, the difference with Regina and everyone else is….as Snow White so beautifully put it, Regina feels things with not just her heart, but with her entire soul and being. Which is more than likely how she was able to fall in love so fast with Robin Hood, and is very mama bear protective of her kids(Henry and S3 Snow) and family.
You make your heart extra resilient by turning into a cold fury, going after someone who made a mistake as child for revenge for years, enjoying to make people suffer, killing numerous people, trying to kill the child and all of her family, killing you own father, trying to kill you own mother, destroy whole worlds. After doing all these horrible things, which was probably stress- and painful for you, your ability to love has spread through your entire soul and being, because your dark heart is now too dark to contain any love, or to keep it locked up, but the love had to go somewhere, so it spread all over you, so to speak. Thus now you are able to give true, unconditional, curses breaking love even if the metaphysical center of love, your heart, is not inside of you. I am really wondering, because to me that looks like the message this show is giving. Be as bad as you can and you will discover the truest love and a happy ending, because love conquers all. I find that some screwed up message.
What the writers are conveying to its audience, is that love is the only power that can transform the darkness inside their hearts. LOVE.
Love is positive and available to everyone. NO ONE IS EXCLUDED
As I see it, when talking about love as the only power being able to transform a dark heart, then I think it takes a love coming from within you, not caring at all, not questioning if anyone else loves or will love you, a deep respect to life, to all life, not just of your own and that of your (blood) family, opening up one’s heart and mind to understanding and empathy.
That love coming from with in you might be inspired and supported by love other people have and show you, but the true work is on you. They can’t undo your dark heart for you, no matter how much or little love they show to you, they have shown, it is up to you.
No, no one is excluded by some power, law whatever, but neither is it guaranteed to anyone, that they will experience that love. It’s up to each on our own to build it, to find, to open up to it. It’s not up to the people around us, given they can make it easier or harder, it something we only can do ourselves.
Love is the power that could transfer the darkness, if the people with dark hearts let it happen.
I think that the show is sending the message — and I hope it’s not intentional — that love conquers all. Not just impediments to healthy relationships, but all: sensible judgement, accountability, justice…
It does look like that to me.
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