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I hate to bring this up because everyone is saying they don’t want Bae to be dead and I love the actor who plays Bae (he is incredibly talented for such a young actor) but with all the “Bae is dead” talk it would actually be a brilliant plot twist and the ultimate “All magic comes with a price” payment for Rumple.
I think this is a really good point. Has Rumple really ever had to “pay” for any of the magic he’s done? For refusing to give it up, yes, he lost both Bae and Belle but for all the spells he’s cast or all the trouble (I’m going to say trouble because he can be a devious little imp) he’s caused, it doesn’t seem like he’s had to pay anything. He got what he wanted: to our world through his curse. It does follow that at some point he’s going to have to pay a price. And perhaps Regina saying that Henry shouldn’t have to pay the price for HER magic (and his reply of “no, you should but alas here we are…”) is actually a foreshadowing of Rumple having to pay for his magic.
[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Rumpelstiltskin: If you can bottle love, you can do anything.
Rumpelstiltskin brought to SB the most powerful magic of all: true love. Since it allows him to do anything, I suggested that he may want to have the power to bring people back to life, make people fall in love, and allow people to wish for more wishes. These three things were all limits to magic in FTL and were hinted at throughout season 1 by Rumpelstiltskin, the Blue Fairy, Regina, the Genie, and Maleficent. The reason I suggested that Rumpelstiltskin may want the power is because he may wish to have a contingency plan, just in case his son, Baelfire, died. I don’t think Rumpelstiltskin knows the fate of his boy, who disappeared from FTL centuries ago. Bae may very well be alive, having travelled across time and space, but there is still a chance he could have died. So having the ability to bring someone back to life would be a desirable power for Rumpel. It would also create a mechanism whereby beloved characters like Daniel, Peter, and Graham could potentially be restored to life. If it is true Emma really does have to die for everyone to return to FTL, this would be a way for the savior to be resurrected. These are simply my reflections on season one and the new development going into season 2.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
I love the idea that Bae may be Henry’s father. What is intersting is that Emma appears to have been in jail because of her “married lover” who is the father of Henry. If it is Bae, how did he end up in Phoenix? Could Bae have become less moral after his father’s betrayal? What an interesting development if it turns out that Henry is Mr Golds grandson thru Bae & Emma. It could account for Mr Gold’s “fondness” for Emma and Henry. Rumple/Mr Gold seems to know what is going to happen in the future to a degree though he might not know where Bae ended up.
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The writer in me says yes, stylistically, it would make sense if Gold never finds Bae. The scene in thr forest between August and Gold can’t be repeated; you can take an audience into that well only once, because the emotions are so deep and intense. For the real Bae to show up and for the writers to try to recreate those emotions in the audience, it would only be an echo. So deep down, I can agree with the Bae is gone theory. Gold got to have the forgiveness he needed ; we got the chance to experience that with him, and maybe someday Gold will thank August for trying to con him.
But the fangirl in me can’t handle a Bae loss. Not after Charlie and Jin and Sayid and Sun and Locke and Jack and…
That’s why I think that the real reunion will be nothing like the August/Gold confrontation. I don’t think it’s going to be a happy thing. My theory is that August already knows Bae and they planned everything out. August was dying and needed a way to survive and Bae needed someone to do reconnaissance work before he makes the decision to return. It’s just the way August said “Do I even look like him?” You don’t say stuff like that unless you really know the person you’re talking about. I know most people think it was the Blue Fairy helping August all along, and she may have been, but I think Bae has been in the background, too.
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Bae may be angry with Rumpel. I don’t think it makes sense if it is all puppies and sunshine when they meet again. Though i don’t think it quite made sense the way Belle reacted to remembering who Rumpel was. She would have been angry as well. That felt contrived and they did that so maybe they will just have a happy non conflict reunion with Bae though i don’t think so. I don’t think that makes sense for the story.
And actually i think that because August said “do i even look like him” means that he does not know Bae otherwise he would know whether or not he looked like him.
@hjbau wrote:
Bae may be angry with Rumpel. I don’t think it makes sense if it is all puppies and sunshine when they meet again. Though i don’t think it quite made sense the way Belle reacted to remembering who Rumpel was. She would have been angry as well. That felt contrived and they did that so maybe they will just have a happy non conflict reunion with Bae though i don’t think so. I don’t think that makes sense for the story.
And actually i think that because August said “do i even look like him” means that he does not know Bae otherwise he would know whether or not he looked like him.
I don’t think it will be a happy reunion either. Especially if Rumple is going to use magic to find Bae. Bae will argue that Rumple really hasn’t learned anything since the last time they met, no matter how good Rumple’s intentions may be.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"It doesn’t seem like Rumpel has learned anything. I actually thought that the incident with Bae getting sucked into the vortex may have caused him to learn something, but it doesn’t seem so. He still seems to just want power and will do anything to get it. The character needs to grow a bit. He has become pretty static and predictable, in my opinion. I mean i am sure everyone was screaming at the television don’t give Rumpel the egg, Emma, you can’t trust that guy.
I trust Rumpel to an extent. I mean, as far as I can see, he hasn’t told a lie. And Henry was fine after all….It just you won’t always get exactly what you want or have things exactly as planned with him. The sneaky fox.
@RumplesGirl wrote:
Has Rumple really ever had to “pay” for any of the magic he’s done? For refusing to give it up, yes, he lost both Bae and Belle but for all the spells he’s cast or all the trouble (I’m going to say trouble because he can be a devious little imp) he’s caused, it doesn’t seem like he’s had to pay anything. He got what he wanted: to our world through his curse. It does follow that at some point he’s going to have to pay a price. And perhaps Regina saying that Henry shouldn’t have to pay the price for HER magic (and his reply of “no, you should but alas here we are…”) is actually a foreshadowing of Rumple having to pay for his magic.
We have heard all magic comes with a cost or price consistently enough in this series. But what has Rumple actually don for himself. The magic he has exacted has usually been for others at their request– Cinderella, Jiminey, Snow White, Belle & the Ogre Wars, Regina. He is actually more a “maker” of magic, not a “user” of magic, in the episodes we have seen so far. He used the fairy wand, but for Cinderella, he made a potion for Jiminey and Snow, He stopped the Ogre wars for others, he created the curse for Regina to use, as far as I have seen, he has not used magic for himself. Perhaps there is a rule like Jefferson stated about the hat when he said if two can go in then only two can come out, so perhaps the rule for the use of magic is that there is a cost — just like the genie said about granting 1000 wishes…
Rumple seems to exact a price/cost in most of his deals for the use of magic, but now that he has used magic for himself, well, the question definitely is “is there a cost that will be required of him?”
@darcyfarrow wrote:
The writer in me says yes, stylistically, it would make sense if Gold never finds Bae. The scene in thr forest between August and Gold can’t be repeated; you can take an audience into that well only once, because the emotions are so deep and intense. For the real Bae to show up and for the writers to try to recreate those emotions in the audience, it would only be an echo. So deep down, I can agree with the Bae is gone theory. Gold got to have the forgiveness he needed ; we got the chance to experience that with him,
But the fangirl in me can’t handle a Bae loss. Not after Charlie and Jin and Sayid and Sun and Locke and Jack and…
I totally agree with this summation. That is why I think there will be a twist… some twist by the writers. I also believe that if Rumpel could create so detailed a curse that he designed it to come to the time and place where Bae is. So I have come to believe he is alive. I have to wonder if he didn’t end up kind of like Pnnochio and Emma in a foster care system. Perhaps they even met.
It is not hard for me to believe August and Bae have met, because I do not think there would be any other way (except maybe the BF) for August to be able to draw a picture of that knife. I keep wondering if he and Bae might have been in Phuket together.
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