Magic is Unholy (Greg and Tamara’s plan to eradicate magic)

[MatthewPaul]

@Phee wrote:

@RumplesGirl wrote:

Oh. So I could be right that Dorothy is the head of the Home Office? If this actually happens, I’ll die of shock. 😆

If I guess anything right for these final two eps, I may die of shock. 😆

Seriously though, The Wizard had a certain amount of technical knowledge in that he could construct gadgets to create the illusion of magic. Granted, he didn’t have modern day computery technology knowledge, but could what he did know have been the basis for him learning some of the more modern stuff, which could have something to do with GOAT’s gadgets?

Well, Victor was described by Jefferson as a”Wizard”, when in reality he was a scientist, so that could have been a hint that somehow The Wizard of Oz will tie into the magic vs. science story.

[RumplesGirl]

Very true, Matt. So we have hints to the idea of a “wizard” being a scientist, and we have the beginnings of a timeline for Dorothy. We know she had just left Oz right around the time Regina started working with Rumple, right after she married the King, so at least 6-10 years before the Curse? Is that right?

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[Phee]

And traditionally, The Wizard leaves Oz at the same time Dorothy does. He’s even the one who was actually going to take her home, until his balloon floated off without her, and she used the slippers instead. I’d love it if those two met up again once they got home, and if they did, then maybe they’re working together in the present day at The Home Office. Perhaps?

[RumplesGirl]

Let’s say all this is true: Dorothy and the Wizard are the leaders of the Home Office. The question is why would Dorothy and the Wizard WANT to eradicate magic? A few proposals:

1) GOAT have branched out and are working off their own agendas and not following the Home Office’s Agenda

2) Dorothy’s experience in Oz is much darker and troubling than in the movie/books

3) Dorothy and the Wizard are trying to get back to Oz but first they have to find a way to get there but in the process the want to stop anyone from following/getting there first.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[kfchimera]

I love it–there’s no place like the home office….all 3 sound plausible!

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

[rcz]

Hmm… This hole “magic is unholy” thing, reminds me of Being Human. If anybody watched it, in the second season, there was this ‘facility’, that was created by a priest who had his family killed by vampires, but he had the help of scientists. They said they could cure the werewolfs (because they still had a soul) and help ghosts go through ‘the door’. In reality, they killed vampires (because “they had no soul”), and by doing some experiments to ‘try to help’ the werewolves not to transform, they killed them (“All werewolves die.” – Tully). Oh, yes. And to ‘help’ a ghost who didn’t even want it anymore, to go through the ‘door’, they killed another man.
This “Home Office”, reminds me a lot of that. I really hope we get to learn more about it.

[Slurpeez]

There are several big questions in my mind about GOAT’s mission. Warning, spoilers from 2×22: Why do Greg and Tamara decided to kidnap Henry to a far-off land (NL perhaps)? What do they get out of it? Ransom, clout, revenge? If Greg finds his dad has died, or doesn't remember him, I could see Greg possibly wanting revenge against Regina by stealing her kid. But what about Tamara? She knows how to kill magical creatures, so she seems to want to eliminate magic from our world, believing magic is “unholy.” Tamara might even figure out how to activate the fail-safe and thereby wipe SB off the map. But, if she's merely trying to eliminate a magic town and to save herself by quickly getting away from SB, why not just drive really fast out of town back to A Land Without Magic?

Why does she bother kidnapping Regina's kid and teleporting with him to a far off realm, where there is possibly magic? Is kidnapping Henry part of her mission? Does she know Henry could be the key to Rumple's undoing? But why does she bother kidnapping Henry if Tamara simply plans to taser Rumple or to kill the Dark One by activating SB's fail-safe? Something just doesn't quite compute. Tamara must believe Henry is special, and as the son of Emma and Baelfire, there could more to him than meets the eye. Maybe he has a source of magic in him that he doesn't' even know about yet. That could be a big plot-line in S3.

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

[RumplesGirl]

Well, Slurpeez:

I completely agree with you about Greg. I think we're going to find Kurt alive but without his memories of who Greg/Owen is. That will spur on Greg's revenge against Regina. I think initially he'll be against kidnapping Henry but will come around because of Kurt and with some help from Tamara. As to Tamara herself…gosh we need her backstory. If she is the daughter of RH and Marian, and they were driven out of the EF by dark magic that might explain why she so vehemently hates magic. If the townsfolk of SB have caught on to her, then escaping to another land seems logical because Emma can leave, and for that manner, so can Regina and even Rumple provided he has more potion and really anyone could leave if they enchant an object. So leaving for a far off land seems like a better idea.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[Slurpeez]

^_____ True. By simply fleeing SB into greater Maine, Tamara and Greg would risk Emma coming after Henry. Yet, if Tamara were actually to activate the fail-safe, presumably she'd believe she had eliminated all of the residents of SB along with the town. So, GOAT could've simply planned to kidnap Henry and raced in their car out of SB just as the town was in the process of vanishing forever, killing all of Henry's family in the wake of destruction. Why then do Tamara and Greg very deliberately kidnap Henry to another world? She wouldn't expect Regina and the Charmings to follow after them in Hook's ship and thereby escape the sudden destruction of the town. GOAT must want Henry for some greater purpose, and maybe Henry can only fulfill that destiny in another world.

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

[RumplesGirl]

Do they know what the fail safe does? They seem to think it's just a diamond that the Home Office should look at but they themselves do not know what it is. The only person who “knows” is Regina (and I question if what she thinks wil happen is actually what would happen.) Henry knows Regina's plan but then it was wiped. Hook knows but seems to be letting GOAT do what they will, until they kidnap Henry.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

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