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Haven’t heard the initial reaction podcast, but is there any reason why there can only be one Wraith?
I have a feeling that the parallel vs. sequence will be one of those ongoing discussions. FTL was under a 28 year curse, too. I’ll need to listen to the inital podcast to get more information.
[adrotate group="5"]One thing I did catch having just watched S01E21 & 22 just prior to watching S2, was Regina didn’t think FTL had been destroyed, if she had, she wouldn’t have told Jefferson she needed to go back there for something, as it was she was able to pull an apple from FTL past …. I think/am HOPING!!! (because I want them all to return to their world by the end & live happily ever after lol 😉 ) Is that FTL will need to be ‘repaired/made whole’ again somehow.
Maybe Emma will be the key to bringing this about. She does seem to have magic, at least in our world, and I would way it fits her role as the savior. Restoring a world would take a lot of magic. The only question is, what kind of price would something like that have?[/quote]
[/quote]I wonder if the price might be Regina’s life? Ever since the early episodes, I’ve been struck by the fact that Regina is so evil, yet so fully developed as a character that we see her pain and fears. Those contradictory elements make me think on the one hand she must face responsibility for her actions by the end of the series but on the other hand suggest there is a possibility for her redemption. Perhaps she will pay the price to undo what she has done? She might do it in some context where it was necessary to save Henry from some threat and/or to gain his forgiveness, since I really can’t imagine Regina ever making a sacrifice for anyone else.
@ cruel_fortuna.
I love Tolkien and the Lord of the Rings, however I have no idea what language the symbol is written in. If you google J.R.R Tolkien Logo it will pop up. I think Tengwar was the script used on the ring, but I have a hard enough time with English and suck at other languages. LOL! Also, I in no way shape or form claim to be a Tolkien expert or even novice for that matter. I just grew up with the books, and the old cartoon movie of the Hobbit.
I too need to do a rewatch. May take that on tonight.
Everything adds up if you take the time to look at everything that was said. The wraith was the same as in Storybrooke. It clearly got sucked into that world and it carries with it the medallion around its neck (after Gold had dropped it to the ground and summoned it) which Phillip cut off and then touched it- marking himself. The directors did make that comment about someone retrieving the soul which is very intriguing!! Plus it would make what Gold said the truth (he said he wouldn’t kill Regina) I wonder if Emma will be the key to saving Phillips soul.
Looks like you guys cleared up the Sleeping Beauty issue pretty well. The only thing we don’t know are the details and seems we will have to wait for those 😀Hi guys, I just wanted to add the dialog between Regina & Maleficent from s2 e2 because I think it hints that Aurora’s mom was the 1st sleeping beauty.
Maleficent: Weren’t you the same age when you were to be married before she (Snow) ruined it all? Yes, you were.” (Stable boy episode)
Regina: Yes, it was about the same age when that Sleeping Beauty got the best of you, my dear Maleficent.”
Maleficent: “I soldiered on. As you will, too. Hopefully.”Later when Regina mentions that the curse was undone by a simple kiss, Maleficent just kept quiet.
So, assuming that Regina & Maleficent are the about the same age, & Snow & Aurora are also about the same age; then Aurora was a little girl when she got the best of Maleficent? In my opinion it’s more likely that Aurora’s mom was the one that “got the best of her”, unless the “little girls destroying young women’s happiness” is gonna be a common thing here 😕 . Also, if Aurora was cursed for about a year, then maybe that happened about the time that Snow & Charming met each other, got married & waited 9 months for Emma to be born.I guess my question in this matter would be: Did Maleficent cursed Aurora before or after she talked to Regina about “soldering on”…
Here’s the thing that makes no sense to me
(I’ve broken it down into both possibilities:)
1.) If Regina was talking about Aurora’s mother: why would Maleficent use the same curse on Aurora that didn’t work on her mother? If the 1st SB was woken up by a simple kiss, wouldn’t it stand to reason that that would happen again? So try another curse…
Also – Aurora and Snow are around the same age (I agree that Aurora was probably cursed around the same time Snow was woken up.) If so, that means that Aurora’s mother would have been woken up from her curse long before Regina ever met Snow. In that case it would have been common knowledge that Aurora’s mother was woken up with true love’s kiss – so WHY would Regina trade Maleficent the dark curse for the sleeping curse? She would already know it might not work.
2.) If they were talking about Aurora, not her mother there’s a similar issue at play. Why would Maleficent use a curse that Snow and Charming proved could be broken with true love’s curse? The truth is, it wouldn’t make sense for anyone to use the sleeping curse after Snow and Charming’s FTL “happily ever after” – everyone would know how it could be broken.
One more thing that bothers me – it’s been implied on the show: if we know the story, the essence of it already happened in FTL. i.e. – we know “Snow White” because Snow’s story happened in FTL. We don’t know Emma’s story because it’s happening now. So if Aurora is THE Sleeping Beauty, we shouldn’t know her story as it didn’t finish before the curse was enacted and the book was written. Which would imply that the SB story we know is her mother. But if that’s the case, why would the writers imply that, in essence the same story literally happened twice – including the fact that Aurora is named Aurora (the princess name we know from Disney) and her prince is named Phillip (same issue.)
I’m going to put this out there: as someone else mentioned earlier, things were said in episodes 1 and 2 that I imagine the writers now regret. Regina’s “with a simple kiss” comment to Maleficent makes no sense coming from a woman who had previously (timeline-wise) told Belle that any curse can be broken by true love’s kiss. Now, occasionally, we’ll find reason to have to ignore these comments, but I think they’re largely contained to the first two episodes of the series. Mentioning that Maleficent attacked both the Aurora we see AND her mother may be a cover for this, or it may be simply to account for the fact that the story of “Sleeping Beauty” exists in our storybooks—meaning it must have happened pre-curse in some form—but is also now happening post-curse.
As far as the wraith goes, it’s really pretty simple, but then as a long-time sci-fi fan I have WAY too much practice re-piecing timelines in my head. 😀 I don’t hear anyone asking “are there two Emmas and two Snows?” so I don’t understand why people are asking if there are two wraiths or two medallions. 🙂 As Daniel explained, all that we see in FTL happened after what we see in SB.
Here is the wraith’s timeline:
-Gold had the medallion for who knows how long, uses it to mark Regina’s hand.
-Gold uses the medallion to summon the wraith, which takes the medallion around its neck as soon as it appears in SB (I went back and watched for this).
-SB people fight the wraith and send it into the hat taking Emma and Snow (and the medallion still around its neck) with it.
-The wraith is transported to FTL by the hat, bursts out of the ground in front of Mulan, leaving Emma and MM unconscious in the hole.
-Phillip cuts the medallion off the wraith’s neck with his sword and picks it up, and then the rest of the FTL story happens.Ha, Are there two Emmas and two Snows? Maybe…
Just kidding. Yeah, i agree one wraith, one amulet everything in fairytale land happened after Storybrooke.
About the Sleeping Beautys though which there do seem to be two of, maybe the family of the original Sleeping Beauty kept the spinning wheel which remained cursed. You see it there beside the place that Aurora wakes up at. So maybe they kept it and Aurora stupidly touched it. She seems to be a hamburger short of a happy meal to me anyways, so why not.
Though their dialogue does imply that they are worried about Maleficent, so i am not sure if that works exactly. Maybe Regina gave the sleeping curse back to Maleficent when she took the dark curse and Maleficent was like hey lets take another shot at this family. I don’t know. I mean they could get around it if they tried, though i am not sure they will. Though since Aurora will be around for some episodes maybe they will explain it better.
It might help smooth over some of the these two brought the wraith through and he killed are dude issues if Emma says hey i killed Maleficent. Maybe when Mulan tries to kill them and i am hoping we get to see Snow defend them with that broomstick. Maybe then Aurora will ask if they are working for Maleficent and Emma will tell them she killed her. Or “killed” because no body no dead, and Phillip isn’t killed either, just cursed, soulless. You can come back from that.
@hjbau wrote:
Ha, Are there two Emmas and two Snows? Maybe…
Just kidding. Yeah, i agree one wraith, one amulet everything in fairytale land happened after Storybrooke.
About the Sleeping Beautys though which there do seem to be two of, maybe the family of the original Sleeping Beauty kept the spinning wheel which remained cursed. You see it there beside the place that Aurora wakes up at. So maybe they kept it and Aurora stupidly touched it. She seems to be a hamburger short of a happy meal to me anyways, so why not.
Though their dialogue does imply that they are worried about Maleficent, so i am not sure if that works exactly. Maybe Regina gave the sleeping curse back to Maleficent when she took the dark curse and Maleficent was like hey lets take another shot at this family. I don’t know. I mean they could get around it if they tried, though i am not sure they will. Though since Aurora will be around for some episodes maybe they will explain it better.
It might help smooth over some of the these two brought the wraith through and he killed are dude issues if Emma says hey i killed Maleficent. Maybe when Mulan tries to kill them and i am hoping we get to see Snow defend them with that broomstick. Maybe then Aurora will ask if they are working for Maleficent and Emma will tell them she killed her. Or “killed” because no body no dead, and Phillip isn’t killed either, just cursed, soulless. You can come back from that.
Now that would be awesome to see- could just imagine Emma’s response to a broom wielding MM/Snow/Mom on top of her shock that she’s actually with her lol
I agree with you on the Mal/Sleeping Beauty story, I wonder if they never really intended to do that story in real time. I think they’ll have to be more careful from here on out about mentioning FTs being in the past, in case they decide to use them later on.
@KalliopeKisees wrote:
@ cruel_fortuna. Its actualy the J. R. R. Tolkien symbol to be exact.
When pics of the amulet hit the internets, there was much speculation as to what the symbol was. The closest match anyone found was that it’s the alchemical symbol for arsenic, just upside down: http://epistolaryconnotations.tumblr.com/post/31540430648/omg-you-guys-i-found-it
Also… I swear there are more than one warith in FTL and that several other people were marked.
I’d have to go back and re-watch, but I swear Mulan said there were more. Obviously we only saw one of them in this ep, but I don’t see a reason why there wouldn’t be more of them roaming around.
@JeremyLaughlin wrote:
I’m going to put this out there: as someone else mentioned earlier, things were said in episodes 1 and 2 that I imagine the writers now regret. Regina’s “with a simple kiss” comment to Maleficent makes no sense coming from a woman who had previously (timeline-wise) told Belle that any curse can be broken by true love’s kiss. Now, occasionally, we’ll find reason to have to ignore these comments, but I think they’re largely contained to the first two episodes of the series. Mentioning that Maleficent attacked both the Aurora we see AND her mother may be a cover for this, or it may be simply to account for the fact that the story of “Sleeping Beauty” exists in our storybooks—meaning it must have happened pre-curse in some form—but is also now happening post-curse.
Yeah, I’m generally pretty forgiving of any inconsistency with the first couple of eps.
The Sleeping Beauty story we know: Aurora is cursed by Maleficent, falls asleep for however long after the good fairies tweak the curse, then is woken by Phillip’s kiss, then he slays DragonMaleficent and they live happily ever after.
In the Once story, DragonMaleficent isn’t slain by Phillip in FTL. It was a cool nod to the story we know that they still had her being slain by someone throwing a sword into her chest, but let’s not confuse that with actual FTL historical events. DragonMaleficent being slain was written into the story we have in books/movies in our world, it’s the story we all grew up knowing, even though that’s not how the story actually happened in FTL history. So I think that along with the traditional ending being tossed out, we can also toss out their names, meaning that the REAL, historical Sleeping Beauty story didn’t actually involve two people named Aurora and Phillip.
It’s looking like in the Once version, Maleficent had it out for Aurora’s mother and cursed her. She escaped the curse, most likely by being kissed by Aurora’s father. Maleficent then “soldiered on” not by getting over it, but by focusing her attentions on their daughter next. Maybe she didn’t intend for the sleeping curse to stick with Aurora either, she just thought a bit of history repeating would be fun times. Or maybe she did try the same thing again, and once again, good fairies intervened and made it a breakable sleeping curse instead.
Mulan asks Aurora how she came to be cursed, and she replies, “You’re not the only one who knows about sacrifice,” so there’s gonna be more to this story, and it’s gonna be good stuff.
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