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@MellieMD wrote:
Phee is totally right. He could be just some guy with no fairytale connection at all, or he could be one of the numerous characters that -could- be attached to the evidence in his room. The problem is a lot of people want him to be Bae SO bad that they are looking specifically at things in a “This is why he could be Bae” way.
Well he has to be someone with a fairytale/storybook connection otherwise he wouldn’t have gotten the postcard in “Broken”.
Before “Tallahassee”, I admit he could have been someone else besides Bae based on things in his apartment because they obviously tried to throw clues to throw off viewers, but since they’ve already revealed that he’s Henry’s father, and given so many hints that Bae is the father of Henry, I’m looking at all those clues not just his apartment that he has to be Bae. It doesn’t mean that he can’t also be Peter Pan, the White Rabbit, the Wizard of Oz, etc., but he’s going to turn out to be Bae.
I think we’ll find out if he’s Henry’s father or not in this episode, but it might take some before we find out if he’s Bae or not.
Oh definitely. I agree with Phee that the revelation that he’s Bae deserves it’s own episode, so I expect that won’t be until near the end of the season. We’ll get hints of course that he’s Bae, but they’re also going to try to throw viewers off by giving other hints just like they did with August.
[adrotate group="5"]I’ve always been more into the idea that Peter Pan was Henry’s father, as opposed to Bae being Henry’s father. But then, I’ve also suspected since the moment he went through the bean hole that Bae might end up being Peter Pan. So I can quite easily imagine those 3 personas tying together quite nicely to form 1 character on the show, (especially now that we know Rumple has a history with Hook). Am trying not to consider any theory on Bae or Henry’s father as being definite though, because this is the sort of major character and plot point that would seriously bug me if I had my heart set on it being one thing, and it turned out to be something different. I’m just trusting that whatever K&H have in mind in this particular case, it’ll be awesome.
hjbau wrote: I think that Jennifer saying that she has always known, she knew since before the pilot was aired, has always been the greatest proof that the father is Bae. Who else could it be. Who else was always part of the fabric of the story. Unless Bae was just made up right before Desperate Souls and they were like hey lets have Rumpel have a son, which maybe, but considering that is supposed to be the purpose behind Rumpel doing the curse then well it seems like that should have been thought out.
I believe Adam and Eddy always planned for Rumpel’s motivation for designing the dark curse to be finding his lost son. They said so in their most recent audiopodast for The Crocodile.
I agree we’ll only discover what happened to Baelfire towards the second half of S2. For sure, we’ll discover that MRJ is Henry’s dad in Tallahassee, but I agree it won’t be a full-identity reveal until the end of the season, when I think he’ll come clean to his father, Rumplestiltskin.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
The producers also said in some interview that they were just going to have Rumpel in the pilot and that was all until they got Robert. Who knows when exactly that all went down, but i think the initial thought was always the child of Snow White and Prince Charming, but then once they got Robert to be Rumpel, they decided to do more with that character.
I still don’t want Bae to be anyone else, but Rumpel’s son, just like Emma is only Snow and Charming’s daughter. That is by far interesting enough for me. And i think that when it was said that Bae went through the bean vortex into a land without magic that that needs to be true and so i think he went immediately to our world and not to Neverland or anywhere else.
I am agreeing that at some point, once they got green lit for the pilot, we can only hope that they thought out the purpose for the curse as one of the most basic premises. Though honestly at that point it may have been the basic premise of Regina wants to curse the whole world and just that. Everything that happens with Rumpel creating the curse happens in Ep 2 and the pilot has a lot of inconsistencies, but then so does Ep 2.
@hjbau wrote:
The producers also said in some interview that they were just going to have Rumpel in the pilot and that was all until they got Robert. Who knows when exactly that all went down, but i think the initial thought was always the child of Snow White and Prince Charming, but then once they got Robert to be Rumpel, they decided to do more with that character.
I don’t know hjbau. K&H have said numerous times that the story has always centered around Rumple.
In K&H’s recent podcast this is what they said:
“Right when we were doing the pilot and we were talking about the back stories and we knew that rumple’s story related to loss of his son. We had decided then that everything he would be doing from then on would be in service of reuniting with the son. We kind of had it plotted out in the beginning. A lot of the pieces from S1 we put on chessboard and where we’ve starting moving them around for S2 to get to the places we wanted to go to from the beginning. There is a plan for what we want on how they (characters) relate to one another and what they want that goes back to the genesis of the pilot (Bae) and now we’re seeing next evolution of all of their journeys.”
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^Yeah, the producers have said numerous times that much of the story was planned early on. Of course, there are some inconsistencies (especially the first 2 episodes), but I highly doubt the producers only planed on having Robert around for one or two episodes. I think you’re getting your info confused with Belle. The producers said that they only planned on having Belle around for one or two episodes but then changed their minds when she got such a positive response from the fans.
Besides, it was just recently announced that Robert Carlyle dropped out of the running for the 11th Doctor for his role as Rumpel/Gold. So, I doubt he’d abandon a role like THAT to be on a show he would only have 2 scenes in.
Maybe it was Robert that said at first Rumpel was supposed to only be in one episode, but then like i said they got him and so they decided to do more with the character. I have listened to too many interviews to have any clue where that was from though.
I mean the father is Bae, i have thought that they were being ridiculously obvious about the fact for at least six months. If he isn’t i will be happily surprised, but it is quite clear that now they intend for Bae to be the father even if they had different thoughts at the time of the pilot. They also considered killing Charming, so clearly they were throwing things all over the place at that time.
Wait, the commentary for Ep 1. Hold on.
HOLY CRAP! I’VE NEVER SEEN THESE PHOTOS BEFORE! 😮 😮 😮
And as far as it being obvious that Bae’s the father, there hasn’t been any evidence on the show to suggest that he is. It was the producers and in particular Jennifer Morrison who kept saying things like “I know who the father is,” and “we may have already met the father in previous episodes.” Those comments sent fans into a frenzy and the only person who fit those descriptions was Baelfire.
The producers have an uncanny ability to ruin a surprise. I think Jane Espenson straight up admitted that August was Pinocchio in an interview two weeks before the episode actually aired. I know there was evidence already suggesting that he was, but she didn’t have to go and spoil it.
Yes, it is the commentary that i was thinking on. The producers say something like they wrote the part for Robert but never thought they would get him. They say something like they had so much fun with the character that it expanded on writing the scene for him in the Pilot that they then made him be in two scenes in the pilot. They say his role expanded so that he could be at the end of the pilot to because they fell in love with his role and he became a huge part of the fabric and DNA of the show.
They don’t quite come out and say what i was saying though, so maybe they didn’t mean it though that is how it sounded to me the first time i heard it. That they did not intend him to be a big part of the DNA of the show and then as they started writing him he become a bigger part. I don’t know.
It doesn’t matter really at this point. I think Bae is the father. I totally agree that the producers have completely given the game away. The only thing in the show that would suggest it is just that Bae vanished to our world and Emma had a baby so that that guy would be important and that Bae is the only fairytale character out there that we know of. And just the simple Romeo and Juliet of it all with the Dark One’s son and the daughter of Snow White and Prince Charming. That is just classic story telling going on there.
Wait i kept listening and then they say that they were trying to seed things like the name thing in Ep 1, but it just seems like they did not intend initially to show Gold in Storybrooke. I have no idea what that means for the show though, what they intended. If they just intended to use him to show his foreknowledge to give a reason for Snow and Charming to send Emma through the wardrobe. I just don’t know what they meant.
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