Malcolm and Peter Pan

[RumplesGirl]

I think what we’ve seen as Pan is a melding, for lack of a better word, of Malcolm de-aged and another entity … possibly the Shadow. Something far more evil. And as the years go by, it’s gotten more and more of a hold. So much so that the Malcolm core/personality is the merest … shadow.

Ah but if you’ve spent 300 years in a search for your own immortality, wouldn’t you gradually devolve from a very bad man to a sinister monster? I think Malcolm own selfishness desires over 300 years played a role in that.

[swanning-off]

Ah but if you’ve spent 300 years in a search for your own immortality, wouldn’t you gradually devolve from a very bad man to a sinister monster?  

This. Pan has gone bonkers over the centuries. While Malcolm might have been merely irresponsible, Pan is malicious, mean, scheming and simply put crazier than a rat

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[kfchimera]

RumplesGirl wrote: Ah but if you’ve spent 300 years in a search for your own immortality, wouldn’t you gradually devolve from a very bad man to a sinister monster?

This. Pan has gone bonkers over the centuries. While Malcolm might have been merely irresponsible, Pan is malicious, mean, scheming and simply put crazier than a rat!

Exactly!  I think Malcom aka Pan corrupted NL all on his selfish greedy own.

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

[RumplesGirl]

swanning-off wrote:

RumplesGirl wrote: Ah but if you’ve spent 300 years in a search for your own immortality, wouldn’t you gradually devolve from a very bad man to a sinister monster?

This. Pan has gone bonkers over the centuries. While Malcolm might have been merely irresponsible, Pan is malicious, mean, scheming and simply put crazier than a rat!

Exactly! I think Malcom aka Pan corrupted NL all on his selfish greedy own.

I wouldn’t be surprised if PP found a way to make it night all the time for some purpose

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[theoniongirl]

Hrrrmmm. This is true. They did say they were going to examine what might go on if someone chose to remain a child forever, the effect that has on the psyche, didn’t they? Stark raving nuts certainly seems a possibility.

Guess I just find it rough to imagine any parent saying something like that to their child. 🙁 I have two little boys.

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“Though lovers be lost love shall not;
And death shall have no dominion.”
-- Dylan Thomas

[Slurpeez]

As tragic as it was to hear Malcolm say those things to Rumple, sadly selfishness doesn’t disqualify people from have a kid. Any fool can reproduce, yet not everyone is really cut out to be a parent. It’s a sad truism that many parents walk out on their families everyday, as Milha did, because they’re “bored” and no longer want to be a parent. Some people really view having a family as more of a burden than a blessing, which is tragic, and has lasting repercussions, as we see down through the generations of ‘Stiltskin men. Rumple has lasting daddy issues which meant he abandoned his own son. Now it’s up to Neal to help break that cycle by being a present father in Henry’s life so that Henry doesn’t repeat that nasty habit of abandonment with his own children one day.

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

[theoniongirl]

Oh, I know. It’s just … it’s almost easier to believe in the supernatural evil than the human one, you know?

I was just thinking back through the series and Rumble’s actions as a father … and now, oh my, his actions in leaving the war when he finds he’s to have a child make all too much sense. Especially to Rumple, to abandon a child must be the most awful thing anyone can do.

Even himself.

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“Though lovers be lost love shall not;
And death shall have no dominion.”
-- Dylan Thomas

[bigred]

First we asked: who is Henry’s father?

Then, we wondered about Rumple’s dad.

So now, I’m wondering…

WHO IS MALCOM/PETER PAN’S FATHER??? :p

And the family tree gets weirder and weirder…

 

[kfchimera]

I am wondering about his mother!  PP traditionally is played by a woman in plays so it could have been an interesting but perhaps not commercially mainstream twist.  I guess it was mind blowing enough already.

I think that doubt speculation makes the most sense to me, as NL runs on belief and doubt is the opposite, the inevitable shadow created be any belief.  So that fits in to Mal corrupting NL.  Children can believe so purely and adults we are taught to reason and it can undercut that emotional kind of belief.

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

[RumplesGirl]

I am wondering about his mother!

My newest hedacanon about Rumple’s mother is that she and Malcolm had a one night fling and somehow he got baby Rumple. Rumple is now his biggest burden and his biggest mistake.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

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