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November 22, 2013 at 9:20 am #225734obisgirlParticipant
So when Malcolm became young again through magic, he remembered Rumpelstiltskin and his life as an adult. When August became a child through magic, he didn’t remember what he needed to come and warn Emma about. Memories of his adult life were erased the second he became a kid (I really hate that episode so much, killing character development like that).
Is there an inconsistency with the use of magic in both cases, or is it simply the use of bad magic = bad intentions vs. good magic = gets you redeemed?
[adrotate group="5"]November 22, 2013 at 9:26 am #225736tiara_roseParticipantI think that they are two different sort of magic and intentions.
Pinocchio could only be rebuit cause he was a wooden boy and not born so they could give him a complete new start. He is now a boy, but will grow into an adult. If Pinocchio was a born boy. I think the Blue fairy couldn’t do anything about his death and they should try to bring him to Dr. Whale to try to get him back to life.
Malcolm was an adult who wanted to youth. He got youth not more. He can’t grow again to an adult. He will be a teenager and then die (or not).
For me are this complete other spells.
Heros don't get their Happy Ending!
November 22, 2013 at 9:33 am #225739obisgirlParticipantOkay.
I guess that makes sense.
November 22, 2013 at 9:43 am #225740PheeParticipantThat’s one of the reasons I wasn’t convinced of the PapaPan theory, because it wouldn’t have been consistent that he kept his memories when August didn’t, and Rumple had also told Neal that he could take away his memories if he de-aged him.
Seeing how it played out though, I think there’s a greater, destined purpose to all this Pan and Henry stuff, and in order for Pan to fulfill his role in that destiny, he had to remember who he was.
So Sneaky Shadow made sure Malcolm kept his memories, and Sneaky Fairy made sure August lost his memories, and I’m just completely suspicious of the whole situation.
November 22, 2013 at 9:53 am #225744RumplesGirlKeymasterIt’s very possible I just yelled “Sneaky Fairy” at my screen.
Anyway, I think it is because Malcolm *believed* himself to be young again. But it’s almost an illusion. He’s not really a young boy again. He is believing himself to be so. Like Tiara said, Malcolm will not grow old again so long as he continues to believe himself a young boy. So he is Malcolm but with a veil over him in the form of PP (god, does that make *any* sense?)
August was actually turned back into a real boy after his run in with the Tazer of Doom.
And of course I suspect Sneaky Fairy in all things.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"November 22, 2013 at 11:33 am #225755obisgirlParticipantHmmm. Good point, RG.
Sneaky Shadow. Lol.
November 22, 2013 at 1:07 pm #225776TheWatcherParticipantI am positive Blue could have given August all hid memories, even if he had to become a boy again to live. She just didn’t want him to spill the beans and through he plans off course v.v SneakyFairy is indeed Sneaky
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Keeper Of Tamara's Taser , Jafar's Staff, Kitsis’s Glasses , Ariel’s Tail, Dopey's Hat , Peter Pan’s Shadow, Outfit, & Pied Cloak,Red Queen's Castle, White Rabbit's Power To World Hop, Zelena's BroomStick, & ALL MAGICNovember 22, 2013 at 1:45 pm #225786kfchimeraParticipantI really think the Shadow is not a real entity but a personification of Malcom’s doubts. When kids come to NL, they believe in the whole-heated way kids do. There is no doubt. Adults on the other hand, well there’s always doubt and I think that’s why the Shadow appeared as it did, as well as the cave and the magic glass. This is base don someone’s speculation on Tumblr, which I think I posted in the Shadow thread, but not sure if I do but it really makes sense to me.
In any case, August was “rebooted” like a computer, his wooden robot frame was exchanged for another “real boy” body just as BF did the spell the first time. So it was different context, but she could have been sneaky trying to hide his knowledge.
They write BF popping up so suspiciously at that moment, with her its either plot convenience or a master plan, or plot convenience they’ve decided to retcon into Sneaky Fairy.
Does anyone know what the original content of Rumple’s father scenes shot and discarded were ? I thought he originally sees his father killed?
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
November 22, 2013 at 2:23 pm #225815DemiletoParticipantThey write BF popping up so suspiciously at that moment, with her its either plot convenience or a master plan, or plot convenience they’ve decided to retcon into Sneaky Fairy.
In all fairness, that whole scene reeks of plot convenience. Neal also conveniently popped in out of nowhere, after all.
November 22, 2013 at 2:53 pm #225841PriceofMagicParticipantIf Malcolm had to believe himself young to be PP hence giving up Rumple (“A child can’t have a child”) then why does he acknowledge Henry as his great-grandson? Surely by acknowledging Henry as his great-grandson, PP is also acknowledging that he has a son and grandson, the thing he needed to let go of to become PP?
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