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April 24, 2015 at 12:55 am #302502AidenXJeffreyParticipant
Ok, so I’ve posted about this a couple of times already, but I don’t think Marian’s dead. She was killed by magic and it was a cheap shot by Zelena to top it off. You couldn’t at least wait for homegirl to wake up? Seriously?
One of four of the laws of magic is that you can’t kill. She clearly killed her with magic and that leads me to believe that she’s not dead, but living on in another form just as Zelena did after Rumple “killed” her. I think Marian is living in that six-leaf clover just chilling, waiting for someone to freaking notice and set her free or something. It’s not too far-fetched, not for this show, probably one of the more plausible plot points than what they usually do with magic type scenarios.
And as I’ve said before in another post, Marian isn’t done because we need to figure out how she faked her death because Robin was lead to believe that she died because of him, but it was clear that she died (Or was supposed to) by the hand of Regina when she wouldn’t tell her the whereabouts of Snow in the Season three finale. This isn’t done. This needs to be a question that needs to be answered just as the other many questions that they have yet to answer, and I’m not going to get into a list of those at the moment, but it’s extensive to say the least lol. All I know is, I really hope that Marian gets another chance because I like her character and Roland needs his mother and it would be nice to get her her happy ending as well.
I don’t think that this would cause conflict, but I do think that it would ultimately lead to an answered question, and I also think that if she were to e living inside the six-leaf clover all this time, she could have maybe seen everything that happened and give Robin and Regina her blessing to be together. I don’t know just my thoughts. Can’t you tell I’m a writer lol. Hope all of you are doing well. Be blessed, awesome people.
[adrotate group="5"]April 24, 2015 at 2:02 am #302504WickedRegalParticipantYou know, I could actually buy this theory….but, we’ve seen many many magic users on the show kill with magic. Regina, Rumple, Zelena, Cora, Pan, Ingrid, Mal, and even most recently Emma….and I really can’t recall all of the rules of magic, but I’m quite sure killing isn’t one of them…now raising the dead goes against the laws of magic for sure.
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April 24, 2015 at 2:49 am #302506chadltonParticipantTo quote Cora from Once Wonderland the Laws of Magic are as follows.
1. You can’t bring back the dead
2. You can’t make someone love you
3. Can’t change the past😀
that leads me to believe that she’s not dead, but living on in another form just as Zelena did after Rumple “killed” her.
This would make sense if Zelena actually died when rumple stabbed her. She said (and I quote from Heart of Gold ep) her life force left her body before it shattered. Which makes sense since Zelena has magic. Marian however does not so I am pretty sure she is dead.
But I wouldn’t be surprised if she was in flashbacks cause yeah, that bit about Regina killing her has always bugged me since she or he never bring it up. I mean, from what he said in 3×13 it’s clear he knows how she was killed.
April 24, 2015 at 8:23 am #302509RumplesGirlKeymasterTo quote Cora from Once Wonderland the Laws of Magic are as follows. 1. You can’t bring back the dead 2. You can’t make someone love you 3. Can’t change the past
That’s really all that needs to be said.
The law that you can’t kill applies to Genies only
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"April 24, 2015 at 8:25 am #302510KebParticipantAnd even then, they found ways around it: See Sidney killing Leopold for Regina.
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April 24, 2015 at 8:30 am #302512RumplesGirlKeymasterAnd even then, they found ways around it: See Sidney killing Leopold for Regina.
You mean this show sets up a law, breaks it, and then finds loopholes to explain it post hoc?
Shocking.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"April 24, 2015 at 11:14 am #302518MatthewPaulModeratorAnd even then, they found ways around it: See Sidney killing Leopold for Regina.
Actually, Sidney was freed by Leopold, so he wasn’t a genie anymore when he killed him.
April 24, 2015 at 2:05 pm #302525AidenXJeffreyParticipantSidney used the Agrabah vipers to kill Leopold. He didn’t use magic itself. And every time someone used magic to kill, it wasn’t the magic itself. Recently with Emma, she force-pushed her off the cliff and yes the one who wield magic have killed, but it wasn’t with magic itself. You always saw them using some type of brute force. Yes, it took magic to rip someone’s heart out, but it was their own hand that crushed the heart, which can be done by anyone, magical or not.
Also, there are four laws of magic that they have brought up numerous times:
You can’t kill.
You can’t bring someone back from the dead.
You can’t change the past
You can’t make someone fall in love you with.
These laws applied to everyone, not just genies. If that were the case, then why would Jafar and Ana be so determined to break the laws of magic in order to get what they wanted, and why would Cora even waste her breath iterating the laws of magic to Ana if they all didn’t apply to them. They applied, ALL of them because if they didn’t, then Jafar would have just killed his father in cold blood, but he used magic in order to do so. I wonder if he’s alive since that was nothing more than a curse and Ana died again once the laws were set back in place…hmm…
April 24, 2015 at 2:14 pm #302527RumplesGirlKeymasterAlso, there are four laws of magic that they have brought up numerous times: You can’t kill. You can’t bring someone back from the dead. You can’t change the past You can’t make someone fall in love you with. These laws applied to everyone, not just genies.
Nope. Those are just genie laws
They applied, ALL of them because if they didn’t, then Jafar would have just killed his father in cold blood, but he used magic in order to do so. I wonder if he’s alive since that was nothing more than a curse and Ana died again once the laws were set back in place…hmm…
Nope. Jafar wanted his father’s love first. Hence why he didn’t kill him outright. He had to break the law of magic to make someone love him first, then he killed him.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"April 24, 2015 at 3:43 pm #302536TheWatcherParticipantAnd every time someone used magic to kill, it wasn’t the magic itself.
Jafar used magic to turn everyone in Red Queen’s throne room into ashes. I think that counts as using magic to kill. And regina used magic to snap someones neck. Also we have seen a few people use magic to choke others (Zoso, Rumpel, Regina). Great example I just remembered: Regina actually tried to kill Snow White in 3×06 by using magic to choke her. If Ariel hadn’t stabbed Regina with the fork and helped Snow to escape, Snow would be dead.
I think the rule of not killing really only applies to genies. And it would make sense because in Aladdin, Genie does indeed say he can’t use his powers to kill.They applied, ALL of them because if they didn’t, then Jafar would have just killed his father in cold blood, but he used magic in order to do so
Jafar didn’t want him dead at first, he wanted his love. Once he got it, he killed him. It was entirely possible that he could have done the whole drowing from the inside trick without breaking the laws of magic.
Honestly, the only thing I can say that MIGHT mean Marian is alive is: “No body, No death”."I could have the giant duck as my steed!" --Daniel Radcliffe
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