Master Manipulation. Peter > Blue > Rumple > Cora > Regina

[dannydubner]

So, I was thinking today about Once Upon a Time and I thought of something.

What if, Peter wrote the book, so Henry could see it and eventually go back to Fairy Tale Land, so for some reason he could use him/kill him?

What I’m thinking, is that he also has an ability to do prophecies, and he tried to connect all the dots, which would make a master manipulation. For example, Peter makes Blue Fairy (perhaps Tinkerbell? 😀 We never saw Blue’s backstory and it would be a great twist) fall in love with him, so she does whatever he says. He instructs the blue fairy to give Baelfire a bean, knowing what would happen. Blue was way too obvious when she had that “oops” moment. It was just like Hook with the bracelet, it has to be intentional. By giving Rumple an idea of the curse, they would all go to Storybrooke (including Emma, Henry’s mother). It’s probable, but not fact that Rumple wrote the curse, what if it was Peter Pan? Rumple knew about him a lot.

Maybe it was the home office who got hold of Henry and took him to Storybrooke, maybe Peter Pan was able to get a kind of magic (or science that could get through the barrier). Greg said the Home Office found him while he was still a kid, they had 18 years to develop something after they had heard of it.

But anyway, Peter manipulates Blue, which is driven by love and unknowingly manipulates Rumple, who manipulates Cora, to manipulate Regina, so the curse could happen.

Horrible as it was, without a curse, we wouldn’t have a Henry (except for Regina’s father, he wouldn’t have been killed, LOL).

The “Office” has clearly been around for a long time, Peter might have made it so he could get Henry eventually. The most interesting part, is that we don’t know how Bae left Neverland, he should have stayed there for the rest of his life, because the shadow wouldn’t let him escape. And he clearly was not taken to the real world by the curse, because he would have gone to Storybrooke, like Smee, whom was also in Neverland (mentioned in episode 4).

Peter Pan, knowing he would father Henry, let him go. He met Emma, once upon a Henry, and since the “Office” was already established, he sent the people who worked for him to go get Henry as soon as people were able to enter the town.

I think it connects a lot of dots, it would make the Blue Fairy not evil, but still being a big part of it, and I absolutely love when we discover the master minds are manipulated by others who are manipulated by others. One of my favorite things in storytelling.

Thanks for reading it, I do hope you like it and that there are no holes in it. I would love to discuss it further on, please tell me what you think. Thanks 😀

[RumplesGirl]

Few thoughts as I read through, might be jumbled.

–I believe Peter is going to have the ability to see the future. Absolutely. We can go in circles talking about time travel but at the end of the day the simplest answer is that he can see into the future. So I’m with you on this one
–I’ve always loved the idea of BF being Tinkerbell because I don’t know why we would introduce an entirely new character when we already have a fairy to play with. Now, I’ve never been a big fan of Tink or the BF so I like combining them. In love with Peter, that’s an interesting twist. It might explain why she was so anti-Grumpy and Nova.
–I think the Home Office has branches in many worlds, including ours. Peter may be the CEO who works out of the main division in NL, but they extend pretty far. I’m slowly coming round to the idea that they had something to do with Henry’s adoption, especially since Peter wants Henry.
–Rumple being manipulated this entire time. I both like it and hate it. To be fair, when it was revealed that Regina was basically Rumple’s pawn I really didn’t like it because it felt like an easy “out” to her redemption arc. The same could be said for Rumple. He has to redeem himself, not just have his faults and sins swept under the rug.

Overall, I think you’re right about the dots. They’re all going to be connected.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[Phee]

@DannyDubner wrote:

What if, Peter wrote the book,

Over the last day or so, the same thought has been lurking in the back of my mind.

Right now I’ve got PP pegged as the one who invented that failsafe trigger. There’s gotta be some explanation as to how GOAT found out what it was so quickly, considering it was meant to be some unique trick that Regina had included for her own personal use. But if GOAT’s boss has been communicating with PP, and if he created the trigger, he’d have been able to tell them what it was and how to activate it immediately. The purpose of the failsafe was to wipe out everyone in town except for Henry, so that GOAT could get him to PP. So it stands to reason that PP is the one who orchestrated the failsafe in the first place.

[RumplesGirl]

If this is all true, that Peter:
–wrote the book
–planned basically EVERYTHING

then: how old is HE?! I mean wow. He’s gotta be at least 300 to match Rumple, if he’s in cahoots with the BF then probably older.
A lot of people have been tossing around the idea of him being the original Dark One and it may have some merit if he’s truly old.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[Keb]

Well…Regina was Rumple’s pawn and he certainly manipulated her, but he was also dead honest with her even when he did manipulate her, and he always offered her a choice.

–in The Doctor, which I find the grossest manipulation of Regina in both senses of the word, he tells her upfront that nobody can bring back the dead. He knows she will more readily accept the opposite, and uses that to his advantage, but he didn’t force her to accept Jefferson’s offer or even to come back to him when her hope was utterly crushed.
–in The Evil Queen, he points out right away that she did just slaughter an entire village, and the whole dressing up as a peasant is her idea. He warns her she won’t like what she hears. So when he does manipulate her to accept the title at the end, it’s only after she’s made some really evil choices and faced up to them.
–When he gets her to use magic to push Cora through the mirror, and then asks her why she doesn’t want to learn more magic, she tells him she’s worried she’ll become like her mother. He tells her that’s up to her, and I think this, too, is an honest statement. He doesn’t force her to become like Cora (and I think the thought would horrify him, as horrible as the other things he does to Regina are).
–When he manipulates her into casting the curse, telling her that she can’t harm the Charmings in THIS world, she still chooses revenge over exile in her castle. He gives her the way, but she makes that choice.
–Same with killing her father. She has the choice, she discusses it with her victim, and she decides that she wants to hurt Snow White more than she wants to be with the one person she still loves.

I think Rumple manipulates the heck out of Regina (and everyone else, even Belle), but he never once removes her agency. He even tells her the truth about stuff, save for the true purpose of the Curse and the fact he wants to see it broken eventually. This is quite unlike what Cora does to Regina, in fact–Cora offers her no choice but Cora’s way. And Rumple was more manipulated by Cora than the reverse, from what we’ve seen.

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[RumplesGirl]

Oh, I agree 100% with you Keb. Regina made her own choices. She chose to become like Cora. But I just remember after “We Are Both” people were saying that Regina wasn’t really evil, she was just being used. I don’t want people to say the same about Rumple. He needs to own up to what he’s done and pay for it (though I think in many ways, he is paying for it now). We can’t just sweep everything under the rug and say “he was being manipulated.” Rumple also made his own choices.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[Keb]

Exactly, RG. He was manipulated by Zoso, but he still chose to get the dagger and he still chose to use it. His choices are his own, even if they are made more understandable by the circumstances around them. Same with Regina’s choices. That’s what I’m saying. And I’m not sure that any of them is -more- a manipulator than the next; I mean, we’ve seen Regina manipulate the heck out of Rumple with Belle. (It’s about the only way she’s ever managed it, but boy does it work well.)

I’m not sure I can get behind the Evil Blue Fairy wagon even if I’m skeptical about some of her claims, but there’s no reason to believe that Rumple couldn’t have chosen to go with Bae. And if he had that choice (and he HAD to have that choice or the whole series doesn’t make any sense anymore), then Blue Fairy’s “manipulation” kinda drifts into thin air.

I’m not sure we know enough about Pan yet to make the claim that he’s manipulating anyone except the Lost Ones, and maaaaaaaaaaaybe the Home Office.

So for several reasons I’m not sure this chain works. But I’m especially skeptical of the Rumple-Cora-Regina hierarchy, since while I think Rumple is the most skilled of the three, Cora’s manipulated him quite a bit, and Regina’s come out on top a few times with both as well.

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[RumplesGirl]

Unless they do something right quick at the start of S3 to show that Sneaky Fairy is Sneaky, I think she’ll always be Plot Device Blue Fairy is Plot Device-y.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[kfchimera]

I think there would be a kind of irony in that character of perpetual youth being just really, stinking, relic old. MJR said in an interview that sometimes we’re collecting dots, and sometimes we’re connecting dots. That’s what is so tricky, just like trying to ram puzzle pieces together when you’re missing the links in between, we probably don’t have everything we need to make sense of what we’ve seen so far. But it is fun to try anyway.

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

[darkones1fan]

Okay so I can see Peter> Rumple> Cora>Regina
For Peter well: Perhaps the Dagger was from Neverland and Pan was the original Dark One. So he put a portion of his Powers into the Dagger which in to someone of Rumple’s statues would be a lot of power but not compared to Peter’s, and perhaps Peter has the ability to see the future and he know that one day Rumple would come across the dagger and take those power’s and thus everything else happens

Rumple: Obviously the evidence from the show fits for itself, he made Cora and Regina evil. Well Cora was already evil to begin with kind off but he taught her magic and the wonders of revenge. Not to mention spent hundreds of years working on the Dark Curse and making Regina as miserable as possible and taking her to the lowest point of her existence so she would be desperate enough to enact the Dark Curse. (Although it could be possible Peter had a hand in helping Rumple out, perhaps a deal was struck.)

Cora: She killed Snow's mom and tricked Regina into becoming the Queen and set her and Snow on their path to being enemies!

Regina: She hasn’t really manipulated as much as the last two sure she tricked Rumple into thinking Belle was dead in skin deep but that wouldn’t have stopped Rumple in his quest. Besides that she hasn’t really manipulated as much as just taken direct actions.

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