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TVLine: Matt's Inside Line 2/16 – Robin Hood and Lily

Home › Forums › Once Upon a Time › Season Four › General S4 spoilers › TVLine: Matt's Inside Line 2/16 – Robin Hood and Lily

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  • February 16, 2015 at 8:31 pm #296106
    Slurpeez
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    If the spell was to take Robin Hood’s identity, I would imagine the spell would be-witch everyone Robin Hood has ever met to still think they are the same person. Otherwise, the Merry Men would have recognized Robin was replaced, too.

    That sounds like a really messy and convoluted plot, but after the rock trolls erased an entire kingdom’s memories of Ingrid, it’s not impossible. Just how would the imposter Robin know enough to convince everyone he were the real Robin Hood? How did Sean Maguire’s Robin Hood remember something that happened to Tom Ellis’ Robin Hood (i.e. Rumple sparing his life)?

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    February 16, 2015 at 8:38 pm #296107
    TheWatcher
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    Maybe RH met the merrymen AFTER he met Marian and encountered Belle and Rumpel. So basically like this:

    –Tom Ellis RH encounteres Rump, steals the wand, saves Marian, etc.

    — Sean Maguire RH takes his identity

    — Sean Maguire RH meets Merrymen

    –Sean Maguire RH meets Will (Don’t knw why, just thought id bring that up)

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    February 16, 2015 at 8:42 pm #296108
    Slurpeez
    Participant

    –Tom Ellis RH encounteres Rump, steals the wand, saves Marian, etc.

    That means someone like Zelena still would’ve had to have bewitched Marian’s memories to make her think Sean Maguire’s RH is her husband, instead of Tom Ellis’s RH. Again, not impossible (especially considering the spoiler of Zelena/Marian scenes), but it’s messy.

    –Sean Maguire RH meets Will (Don’t knw why, just thought id bring that up)

    The problem is that in S4a, Will told Robin he and Marian not only had met, but that they’d spent time together camping with the merry men and Robin Hood in the Sherwood Forest (never mind that this seems to contradict the Robin Hood/Will Scarlet flashback in WL in which Marian did not appear and wasn’t made mention of at all).

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    February 16, 2015 at 8:46 pm #296109
    RumplesGirl
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    Guys honestly…I think we need to be prepared for a retcon—I think the writers are banking on the majority of their audience not questioning this like we are. They are hoping the audience won’t remember Belle not questioning who RH was or that Marian recognzied both me as RH right away

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    February 16, 2015 at 8:51 pm #296110
    TheWatcher
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    Good point Slurpz….. Idk… A&E should have just left it alone. Now we are all sitting here like:

     

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    February 16, 2015 at 9:06 pm #296111
    MatthewPaul
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    Guys honestly…I think we need to be prepared for a retcon—I think the writers are banking on the majority of their audience not questioning this like we are. They are hoping the audience won’t remember Belle not questioning who RH was or that Marian recognzied both me as RH right away

    Which is contradictory in itself because they want to explain why Tom Ellis Robin Hood became Sean Maguire Robin Hood, which seems like something they’re only addressing because of people who actually remember Tom Ellis Robin Hood. Wouldn’t casual viewers not give that a second thought? So if they are banking on the audience not remembering past details, why try to explain a past detail in the first place?

    February 16, 2015 at 9:14 pm #296112
    Slurpeez
    Participant

    Maybe Robin Hood (Sean Maguire) is like Melisandre from GoT, what with her ability to use glamour spells. 😛

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    February 16, 2015 at 9:36 pm #296113
    onceaholic
    Participant
    RumplesGirl wrote:

    But…Belle recognized New! Robin easily enough. So…what?

    That’s a good point. I’m surprised they decided that they have to come up with an in-show reason for Robin Hood’s change in appearance. I thought they would have just left it as “he was re-cast, nothing more.” Anyway, Adam’s reluctance to answer much about Lily honestly makes me suspect that’s who Agnes Bruckner is playing even more.


    @RumplesGirl
    , yep their explanation better make sense and not add more plotholes!


    @MatthewPaul
    , certainly is suggestive of Lily, though I still think  that even the actress dyed her hair she would still be  miscast in terms of appearance.

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    February 16, 2015 at 10:05 pm #296116
    kranen
    Participant

    I wonder if Tom Ellis will be back for this episode?

    February 16, 2015 at 10:45 pm #296119
    obisgirl
    Participant

    @MatthewPaul, certainly is suggestive of Lily, though I still think that even the actress dyed her hair she would still be miscast in terms of appearance.

    I TOTALLY agree with you @onceaholic.

    Just in case a reminder is needed of what Lily looked like:

    And Agnes…

    I can’t say they’re playing the same characters. Casting is not even close to being perfect if they are the same character.

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