Matt's Inside Line -8/22/13

[Phee]

Price: Marian’s death and the “loss” of his child.
Debt: To Belle for saving his life.

Yep! They’ve previously said that his arc will involve Belle, and him wanting to re-pay the debt to her for having set him free would bring them together quite nicely. How sad though, if he’s thanking her for allowing him to save Marian and the baby, but Marian ended up dead and the baby ended up being Tamara.

I have a feeling that Greg will die almost immediately when GOAT arrives in NL with Henry. He will try to defy PP when he finds out his true intentions and PP will kill him. I do not believe Rumple or Regina will kill him.

I could see PP killing Greg. But then, Lana seemed very sure that Regina had a kill coming up, and at that point they’d only seen the first 2 scripts, so she’s still at the top of my suspect list for who’ll kill Greg.

If she’s not related to anyone from FTL then we have to explain 1) how she knows about magic and 2) how she came to hate it so much A and E have said that she and Greg represent something they hate a lot which is a sort of fanatical zeal of hatred. Now either we get this story in a flashback or through a lot of exposition but they do have to answer those questions to have Tamara make any sense.

And if we’re already gonna be learning more about Robin’s life in FTL, during the same part of the season where they’ll also have to fill in Tamara’s back story to show why she’s the way she is, it’d make sense to combine the two stories, rather than trying to cram in two separate story tangents.

They said she had no FTL persona, but neither does Emma. She’s something new. And I think in return for getting the wand back, the fairy owner sent Marian and babe to our world, 3 years before the Curse.

Yes, and yes. Tamara told August she’s “quite human”, and there were plenty of regular humans in FTL, so that doesn’t rule out the possibility that she’s from there, it’s just that she’s a new character we don’t traditionally know of existing.

And it’s been established as best we can on the t-word that Belle went to live with Rumple probably about 3 years pre-Curse. Snowing hadn’t got together yet by the events of Lacey, because that’s the bow and arrow that Rumple later gives to Snow to shoot the EQ, but she shoots Charming instead. At the time of Lacey events, there wasn’t an urgency for people to escape FTL due to the Curse coming, and being that it was several years previous, it’s highly likely that there was still another enchanted tree around somewhere.

[RumplesGirl]

I think the grandmother is the woman who helped deliver Tamara and as Marian lay dying agreed to raise Tamara as her grandduagter.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[Phee]

Agreed about how Grandma came on the scene. (And I still haven’t completely ruled out the possibility that Grandma is Dorothy. That’s one of my little pet crack theories Imma keep in my back pocket, just in case.)

[RumplesGirl]

Tamara was the one with cancer, or so her story went. That’s why she was seeing the Dragon. For herself. Not sure what the deal is with the grandmother, if she’s dead or alive.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[kfchimera]

I think the Tamara is RH’s daughter and Marian died thing seems solid. The missing piece is how did Tamara escape the curse and grow up hating magic? The notion that a fairy, even a bad one had the means to portal hop seems odd given the extraordinary efforts of Rumpel.

Maybe Tamara was taken to NL, then to the world without magic, a pawn from her birth without even knowing it?

I like the idea that Marian aged extra-fast so it wasn’t her grandmother, but her mother in the picture. I also like the idea the lady found Tamara and raised her.

Also looking up Robin Hood myths, they’re quite old and go back to many poems and myths, including one about a Queen who holds an archery contest, that Robin wins for her. Sounds like a good plot for a flashback romance with Regina maybe.

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

[RumplesGirl]

If the wand belonged to Tink and not a “nice” fairy of FTL, she may have greater powers or could control portals. There is also pixie dust which could be used to create portals. And that’s RH’s reward: his wife and unborn child get set to our world 3 years before the Curse.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[HappyEndings]

11-episode trip to Neverland

So in the 11 Hr everything comes to a head.

I agree on the debt would be RH owning Belle for saving his life, the price could be the death of Marian this would complete the cycle: Dad, Mother, Son for the price of magic.

Regina – Killing and losing her Dad
Rumble – Losing his son (Bae)
Robin Hood – Losing his wife or baby

But still don’t really go with Tamara being RH child nor do I still believe she got out before the curse happened no one else did even Cora and Rumble couldn’t do that. Besides know one knew about the curse except Rumble, Regina and Maleficent until at Snow’s wedding and that was way after RH had the baby.

Another idea is that what if the baby was a boy instead of a girl and when the curse happened instead of being sent to SB with RH the boy ended up in NL as a lost boy?

[RumplesGirl]

Cora did not want to get out before the Curse. She wanted to wait in her little bubble for time to pass so that she could then get to SB and see Regina.

Rumple WANTED the Curse to happen. He needed to leave this world and all his options were exhausted so the Curse was his only choice.

I don’t think RH got Marian and child out because of the Curse. I think he got them out just for the sake of getting them out. The Sheriff was after them, Rumple might decide to come back for them; they weren’t safe. It had nothing to do withthe curse.

The boy would have been three when the Curse hit, meaning he’d be 3 in NL. I don’t see that happening as that is a little too young for actor reasons.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[HappyEndings]

But the price of magic happens right after you use it so therefore the baby or for that fact Marian had to have the baby soon afterwards since RH knew of the wand he must have known a safe place to raise his family regardless of the Sheriff.

[RumplesGirl]

Does it? Rumple’s price for his magic was about six months after he became the Dark One. YOu could argue that Regina’s price for magic took 28 YEARS.

And if you read my whole theory, you’ll see that I think the Price did come VERY soon after RH used the wand. I think Marian died in childbirth and when we saw her in Lacey she was VERY pregnant, near term.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

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