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October 26, 2015 at 3:23 pm #310944WickedRegalParticipant
wait, was this the first dark one? or was this just a dark one? WHAT IF: The woman he loved, Nimue, is the dark one, right? And when he said you took her away, he was talking to the darkness inside her, not the person. And his plan was to kill the dark one, but he couldn’t because he loved her. And so she turned him into a tree. That’s what we are talking right?
You wouldn’t know this (because you haven’t seen Star Wars), but you just made a Star Wars parallel! When a good person embraces darkness, and becomes evil, and takes on a new persona, their loved ones say to the evil persona “You killed” that person. As in: the evil persona destroyed the good person they used to be. That is a VERY Star Wars way to look at this! SFG
And we all know how much Adam and Eddy loves Star Wars!
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October 26, 2015 at 5:11 pm #310957nevermoreParticipantOk, first off, Merlin’s awesome 🙂 The back story is a little silly, but oh well.
Second, yes, absolutely, I think DO=Merlin’s lost love=Nimue. I also think she wears the mask not only because we’re not meant to know who she is yet, but because she has gone scaly/sparkly.
So, going back to the whole “Merlin bound the darkness to the dagger” I wonder how that factors into this backstory. And if he couldn’t save his love (i.e. banish the darkness from her) and could, in theory, for Emma, what’s changed?
October 26, 2015 at 6:08 pm #310968WickedRegalParticipantIt’s so hilarious watching the fans beg Elliot Knight and Adam and Eddy to let Merlin stay on the show forever! He’d be a marvelous addition, but surely they realize he will unfortunately be gone by 5×11?
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October 26, 2015 at 6:12 pm #310969RumplesGirlKeymasteryeah he is rather…cute.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"October 26, 2015 at 8:11 pm #310986TheWatcherParticipantyeah he is rather…cute.
He’s Mine 😛
I don’t think he’ll be around forever (he’s much too powerful and would solve all the problems) but I don’t think he’ll die either (he’s much too iconic.)
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If Merlin’s lost love = original DO (or first DO tied to the Dagger) = Nimue, and if we are indeed doing the whole Underworld thing for the second half of the season, is it possible that DO magic originates from the Underworld — like a bit that got trapped on the wrong side of a realm, and either mutated into or was harnessed as dark magic? Perhaps because the original DO (Merlin’s lost love, or her immediate predecessor) wanted more and more power, and caused some sort of rift between realms meant to be kept separate?
Also, is the Darkness actually sentient? Not just like a vaguely self-preserving parasite, Alien(s) style, but an intentional being?
October 26, 2015 at 10:50 pm #310998RumplesGirlKeymasterI *think* I like that idea. It fits with some of the Greek mythology (okay, and others, but Greek is my game) that there was a specific catalyst for how darkness entered the world. There was an actual event that explains why life sucks, people suck, everything sucks and why everything continues to suck. Usually it’s because humans do a thing (Pandora, Eve).
They’ve had Pandora’s box in S3A.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"October 26, 2015 at 11:43 pm #311001nevermoreParticipantThere was an actual event that explains why life sucks, people suck, everything sucks and why everything continues to suck.
Wait, you mean other that OUAT’s writing decisions? ^_^
It’s not an original theory, but it fits with a lot of myth structures (‘world out of balance’ via the original act of pollution). At this point, they’re pretty heavily mired up in big scale cosmology, so it would be a waste if they didn’t try to tie in the Dark One origin/Merlin story with something as “proto” mythical as a journey to the Underworld plot.
And on that note, perhaps “snuffing out all the light” is just faulty programming — the Darkness trying to get back to its conditions of origins, but the realms are closed, things are trapped where they shouldn’t be etc etc.
One could even read Head!Rumple’s diatribe about “family” always getting in the way as a metaphor for what also makes one cling to life and hope.
October 26, 2015 at 11:43 pm #311002Sci-Fi GirlParticipantI *think* I like that idea. It fits with some of the Greek mythology (okay, and others, but Greek is my game) that there was a specific catalyst for how darkness entered the world. There was an actual event that explains why life sucks, people suck, everything sucks and why everything continues to suck. Usually it’s because humans do a thing (Pandora, Eve).
They’ve had Pandora’s box in S3A.
Oh, I know! So Pandora’s box was originally used to smuggle a bit of dark magic out of the underworld, which then became the Dark One! 🙂
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edit, Nevermore snuck in ahead of me. 😉
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October 26, 2015 at 11:58 pm #311005PheeParticipantIf Merlin’s lost love = original DO (or first DO tied to the Dagger) = Nimue, and if we are indeed doing the whole Underworld thing for the second half of the season, is it possible that DO magic originates from the Underworld — like a bit that got trapped on the wrong side of a realm, and either mutated into or was harnessed as dark magic? Perhaps because the original DO (Merlin’s lost love, or her immediate predecessor) wanted more and more power, and caused some sort of rift between realms meant to be kept separate?
Wouldn’t surprise me at all if Dark Magic originated in the Underworld. How could it get unleashed into the world?
Maybe Nimue’s dying, and Charon’s coming for her, but Merlin tries to save her, and Charon has some magical plot device doo-hickey full of dark matter for problem cases like this where folks try to resist and he’s gotta drag them outta there with the black tentacle stuff, but because it’s Merlin there’s a big old magic battle that happens, and he magics up a sword to fight with, and the dark matter enters the sword in order to control it, then thrusts itself into Nimue’s heart to finish her off, and when Merlin tries to pull it out the blade snaps, and in desperation to not have her leave, he does a magical whatever to create the Dagger and have her bound to it, so that as long as the Dagger stays with him, so will she, and as a result, dark magic stays in the world too.
Or something?
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