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Tonight, for the first time, Cora, Zelena, and Regina finally came together as a family and shouted and bonded. What did you think of this long awaited for reunion? And do you think Zelena has earned back enough trust for Regina to let her go off and find Hades? And what did Cora’s heaven look like?
[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Best scenes in OUAT History! Barbra, Rebecca, and Lana gave their all in this episode, and left nothing out….it was truly for me, one of the greatest episodes of OUAT.
The mere fact Cora said that bringing her daughters back together was all the peace she needed, even if it meant an eternity in the Lake of Fire….showed just how far she’s come. She was content with facing eternal suffering because she knew that her daughters would now have each other, and would finally be alright. That’s true character development and redemption compared to the woman we met in the Stable Boy.
And as far as trust goes…I think being reunited with the love they had with one another in the past, instantly changed Regina and Zelena’s relationship…so I guess newfound, or rather old trust is what they are giving one another.
Cora’s Heaven is more than likely the life of a queen, the one thing she always wanted. So I imagine her to be in a place full of castles, wealth, estates, horses, magnificent dresses, and tea time. I’m just glad that she’s finally found peace and happiness.
I never cried so hard during a tv show in my life, but this one got me bad tonight! I’m still an emotional wreck.
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Sometimes, OUAT actually remembers how to do character development. Barbara will be missed; she did such a stand out job over the years playing such a tricky and nuanced character.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I think being reunited with the love they had with one another in the past, instantly changed Regina and Zelena’s relationship…
I found that part of the story kind of creepy. Don’t get me wrong, I think Cora did a terrible thing when she took away her daughters’ memories. It’s just that the 30 years or so of personality development that they’d experienced since the memory wipe….well, those people deserved to grow and develop naturally, and not be instantly “patched” with a software upgrade.
(It’s kind of like how the ending of Back to the Future, even though it’s played as a happy ending, is actually really depressing, because Marty’s entire family is effectively dead and replaced by imposters — and from their point of view, if they knew the story, they’d know he’s not their Marty.)
To me, it would have felt more like a foundation for real character development for Regina and Zelena if Cora had said something like “What I took from you….I can’t give it back, but I can show you…” and then used a magic mirror to replay her own memories.
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It’s just that the 30 years or so of personality development that they’d experienced since the memory wipe….well, those people deserved to grow and develop naturally, and not be instantly “patched” with a software upgrade. To me, it would have felt more like a foundation for real character development for Regina and Zelena if Cora had said something like “What I took from you….I can’t give it back, but I can show you…” and then used a magic mirror to replay her own memories.
I agree and it goes back to what Regina had said earlier in the episode–Zelena has lost her right to trust and privacy and she has to earn it back. Having your memories of one brief instance of kindness between the girls doesn’t change *everything* Zelena has done to Regina and Regina’s friends and family and love interest (lest we forget the wonky consent of Robin!) It’s a stepping stone for a better relationship but I don’t buy that now they can be BFFs.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"It’s just that the 30 years or so of personality development that they’d experienced since the memory wipe….well, those people deserved to grow and develop naturally, and not be instantly “patched” with a software upgrade. To me, it would have felt more like a foundation for real character development for Regina and Zelena if Cora had said something like “What I took from you….I can’t give it back, but I can show you…” and then used a magic mirror to replay her own memories.
I agree and it goes back to what Regina had said earlier in the episode–Zelena has lost her right to trust and privacy and she has to earn it back. Having your memories of one brief instance of kindness between the girls doesn’t change *everything* Zelena has done to Regina and Regina’s friends and family and love interest (lest we forget the wonky consent of Robin!) It’s a stepping stone for a better relationship but I don’t buy that now they can be BFFs.
I don’t think Regina is really in the position to judge Zelena about Robin for the reason that Regina did the same thing herself to Graham. Hopefully Regina reflected on her past actions as the EQ and came to the conclusion that whilst what Zelena did to Robin was wrong, she can’t really pull her up on it because otherwise it would be hypocritical.
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Keeper of FelixI don’t think Regina is really in the position to judge Zelena about Robin for the reason that Regina did the same thing herself to Graham. Hopefully Regina reflected on her past actions as the EQ and came to the conclusion that whilst what Zelena did to Robin was wrong, she can’t really pull her up on it because otherwise it would be hypocritical.
Absolutely Regina is not in a position to judge but Regina’s misdeeds in the past don’t mean that Zelena should get a free “trust” pass either.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I don’t think Regina is really in the position to judge Zelena about Robin for the reason that Regina did the same thing herself to Graham. Hopefully Regina reflected on her past actions as the EQ and came to the conclusion that whilst what Zelena did to Robin was wrong, she can’t really pull her up on it because otherwise it would be hypocritical.
Absolutely Regina is not in a position to judge but Regina’s misdeeds in the past don’t mean that Zelena should get a free “trust” pass either.
Maybe not but Regina doesn’t and shouldn’t get to decide what Zelena does and doesn’t do. At worst, Regina should be prepared just in case Zelena does do something but trying to dictate what Zelena can and can’t do and take away Zelena’s choice is only going to make things worse and send Zelena off the deep end. We all saw what happened when Regina lost Daniel, imagine how Zelena would react when she found out that Regina had denied her a chance at love.
It was never Regina’s place to decide whether or not Zelena got to be in a relationship with Hades.
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Keeper of FelixI think we’re sorta talking at cross purposes or at least making similar points while emphasizing different aspects?
I agree that the final scene reads a bit too “you have my permission now!” and Regina has no right to dictate what Zelena can or cannot do; but that doesn’t mean that Regina herself doesn’t have the right to be suspicious or concerned for the welfare of herself and everyone she cares about because of Zelena’s love affair. And it’s a bit of a catch-22. She doesn’t want Zades together because they do pose a pretty hefty amount of danger to everyone (Lord of the Underworld and the barely reformed Wicked Witch!). But she doesn’t want to keep Zades apart without memory erasure because Zelena is a live wire. So either way, Regina isn’t in the best situation and the choice she is presented with isn’t so straightforward.
Zelena isn’t trustworthy until she proves she is and Hades is certainly not trustworthy in the eyes of the CharMills. And like Regina was given the chance to prove that she can be trustworthy in S3-present, Zelena needs the same chance, but it doesn’t mean that the heroes weren’t giving Regina (and now Zelena) a hefty dose of side-eye for a very long time.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"It’s just that the 30 years or so of personality development that they’d experienced since the memory wipe….well, those people deserved to grow and develop naturally, and not be instantly “patched” with a software upgrade.
I found it pretty implausible that once Zelena and Regina got their memories back everyone seemed to be ok with everyone else. From what we’ve seen of Zelena’s character so far, she is a livewire, and acts on impulse and emotion. She is a super insecure person, who is prone to jealusy and paranoia at the slightest provocation. She’s been resentful of Regina and Cora her entire life, and now she’s just been shown a memory that clearly shows that Cora willingly got rid of her because she was a threat to Regina and the family’s status and reputation.
So…in my mind anyway…I imagined Zelena going farther off the handle after being shown the memory, and this fueling her hatred even more towards her mother if not to also Regina.
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