More Spoilers for Season 2

[PriceofMagic]

It was Rumple’s fault that he didn’t go through the vortex with Bae but it was a moment’s cowardice, one that he regretted almost instantaneously. Rumple’s main concern about the vortex was that it would tear him and Bae apart so it’s understandable why he didn’t jump head first into it.
It’s Blue Fairy’s reaction to it that annoys me. Rumple was never cruel to Bae, if anything he was too overprotective. The Blue Fairy didn’t do anything to stop the ogre war in which children were being conscripted, Rumple did. Blue Fairy didn’t help Rumple out when he was trying to prevent Bae from being conscripted in the first place, Rumple had to do it himself which led to him becoming the dark one. For Blue Fairy to then tell Rumple that he drove Bae away after all he’d been through just seems a little off to me.

Maybe Blue Fairy has a superiority complex. She thinks that, being the original power and all, she has the right to interfere in other people’s lives and put them on the path she thinks they should be on. She did it with Nova and Grumpy, who’s to say she didn’t think Bae was better off without Rumple.

[antbee]

Wow so many new things to comment on.

@Josephine wrote:

Lmao @ you stalking him on twitter and trying to find out his schedule. Are you sure you’re not working for TMZ. 😉

lol, oh no you found out my true identity. My real name is Cindy Glass, and my boss is [del]Regina Mills[/del], er Harvey Levin.

You’re nothing if not dedicated to the cause. Love your work.

Thanks. I wish there would have been some pictures of Michael Raymond-James on set by now, but I don’t even know if they’re technically filming again. Earlier in the week, I read that they were filming indoors, but now it seems like there might have been a break because some of the actors just returned to the set while Emilie de Ravin was in LA last night. I just hope there’s more news soon about episode 3 because I’m not sure how he’s going to figure in at all with Lancelot also being in that episode, since Michael Raymond-James just doesn’t seem King Arthur-like or Merlin-like to me.

PS. How stinking cute is this pic?! http://t.co/nuLPzZDl

That was extremely cute. I think he’ll fit right in with the rest of the cast based on his tweets.

But like others, I’m wrong a lot and can’t wait to find out what really happens. I haven’t been this excited since Harry Potter. The tight plot of OUaT reminds me of what I loved about HP. No matter what you think is going to happen, you are still surprised. You go back and there are clues. Love that.

Yes, I haven’t been this obsessed about something since Harry Potter either. That made me wonder if Lil’Red is correct and that the Bae mystery is a red herring to overshadow a bigger mystery because after he comes back this season presumably, and they clear up answers about Dr. Whale, Henry’s dad, Cora’s mom being the Miller’s daughter, who wrote the book, etc., what new mysteries are they going to introduce if they haven’t already introduced them somehow in the show? Perhaps we’ve overlooked these mysteries.

Ooh. Another reason to dislike the Blue Fairy. I do wonder if Eddy and Adam set out to make her shady or it’s just us fans who are looking at it skewed. I think maybe non-fandom watchers, like those in my family who watch but aren’t obsessed, may not pick up on the evil vibe we’re getting. Maybe she isn’t evil, but I still think she’s morally gray. Working for the greater good doesn’t always help the greater good, if you can understand that.

Yes, I’m not really sure that she’s “bad” or even suppose to be morally gray because it didn’t really seem like the actress portraying the Blue Fairy had any more clue than we did in a recent interview, but I can’t help but thinking that maybe the mysteries that will be resolved in season 2, were possibly to cover up a bigger mystery like perhaps the Blue Fairy’s true motive behind everything. Or it could be some other mystery that we haven’t realized yet that has nothing to do with the Blue Fairy, but right now she’s the only one that seems like she could have a hidden agenda and be powerful enough to be working behind the scenes.

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@PriceofMagic wrote:

It was Rumple’s fault that he didn’t go through the vortex with Bae but it was a moment’s cowardice, one that he regretted almost instantaneously. Rumple’s main concern about the vortex was that it would tear him and Bae apart so it’s understandable why he didn’t jump head first into it.
It’s Blue Fairy’s reaction to it that annoys me. Rumple was never cruel to Bae, if anything he was too overprotective. The Blue Fairy didn’t do anything to stop the ogre war in which children were being conscripted, Rumple did. Blue Fairy didn’t help Rumple out when he was trying to prevent Bae from being conscripted in the first place, Rumple had to do it himself which led to him becoming the dark one. For Blue Fairy to then tell Rumple that he drove Bae away after all he’d been through just seems a little off to me.

This is a good point. I wonder what governs her decisions about when to interfere and when not to?

Also, did BF really expect Rumple to be all, “Oh yes son, no worries, I’ll totes jump into the whirling vortex made by the magic bean that you got from my nemesis. Sounds like a fabulous idea. Let’s merrily jump in together on the count of 3.” I mean, c’mon, BF had to know that he wouldn’t exactly be keen to go along with that plan.

Unless she was like Belle and knew that there was still some good in him, buried deep down, and she chose to believe that that side of him would win out. But I’m sure she was knowledgeable about the Dark One curse and knew how strong the power was and how it would be virtually impossible for him to just turn his back on it and trust in her powers instead.

Then there’s that great philosophical argument of whether good can exist without evil. If there is no evil, then how do we know that good is good? So if BF is the good power in the world, could she possibly need the Dark One to remain, in order for her to keep doing her thing? I wonder how the Dark One originally came to be? If BF was the “original power”, then wouldn’t it stand to reason that at one time, all the good AND evil power was contained within her? How did it split apart? Did she try to rid herself, and the world, of dark powers, and in doing so created this new Dark One being, because the power of evil had to still exist in some form, in order for there to be a balance? So maybe she needed Rumple around whether she liked it or not, so she never intended for him to follow Bae, she just wanted to save the kid from his father by separating them? If it was her doing that created the Dark One in the first place, perhaps she felt responsible for Bae’s safety and future, so that’s why she stepped in and orchestrated the whole situation that resulted in him being sent away from that world?

When the show started, I figured BF was gonna be a pretty one dimensional character. Now, not so much.

[elle]

It was a moment of weakness, one where he didn’t want to lose his power. He admits that to August when he thought the latter was Baelfire. He admits that he chose power over him. He wasn’t just scared of the vortex–even before it opened, when he and Baelfire were talking, he was asking his son what kind of world is without magic. He didn’t want to go–he loved his power, it was then that the regret came. And that is why the Blue Fairy told him that–again, it wasn’t smart for her to send a fourteen year old to do this.

I still love his character, just to be clear. 😀 But I’m not going to defend his every action. He did do wrong–he even admitted it.

I’m not a big fan of the Blue Fairy either, but I think she gets blamed for a lot that is not truly her fault. I do think she does think highly of herself–her conversation with Nova was rude and condescending. I hated her little speech to Dreamy about how he and Nova can never be even though it is True Love–surely she knows how powerful it is. And how she lied to Prince Charming and Snow White about the wardrobe was just wrong–it reminded me of how she said she doesn’t lie, and then she lied. 😡

[PriceofMagic]

@Elle wrote:

He wasn’t just scared of the vortex–even before it opened, when he and Baelfire were talking, he was asking his son what kind of world is without magic.

I agree with you that Rumple did do wrong, he never should have let Bae go. However, Rumple had spent his whole life in a land with magic so a land without magic must have sounded a little absurd. It is basically telling Rumple to leave the life he’s ever known for the complete unknown. Even pre-dark one Rumple would be hesitant to agree to that.

Rumple did want to keep his power but I think (unlike other episodes where he needs his power to find Bae) in this episode it was less about the power itself and more about what having the power means for Rumple. Before he became the dark one, Rumple was the town coward and everyone probably looked down upon him. When he has the power, everyone is afraid of him and don’t dare cross him. Rumple is afraid that if he gets rid of the power he will be “weak” and everyone would go bact to treating him as they did before or worse. It’s unclear how much time has passed between Desperate Souls and The Return. When Rumple told Bae he needed more power to protect him, it could be that Rumple is aware his actions have made Bae a moving target and that should he ever get rid of his powers, people would likely come seeking revenge against him and Bae.

Bae is seeing the situation through the naivete of a child, that Rumple’s powers are the problem and if Rumple gets rid of them all their problems are solved. Bae being isolated by the other children is an unfortunate consequence of having the dark one for a father yet I don’t think Rumple is aware of what’s happening to Bae. He sends Bae to join in with the other children and then questions “your friend didn’t want to say hello?”

All magic comes with a price!

Keeper of Felix

[elle]

It wasn’t just because he was the Dark One that Baelfire was isolated. Rumpelstiltskin was dangerous. He turned a man into a snail and stepped on him, killing him, all for an accident. He killed the mute maid, and probably disposed of her body somehow, when she was probably no true threat. True, in both situations his intentions were not all evil, but both people were innocent. Both instances were because Rumpelstiltskin’s strong feelings towards protecting his son–the townspeople knew that, and there for avoided Baelfire as much as possible.

I do agree with you on what he thought of himself without the power–the town coward. Without the power, he would never have any respect of friends, other than his son. And it is also true that it is unknown about how much time passed–it can be assumed that not much. A few months, maybe close to a year, at the most. Baelfire did look a bit older, even sounded older.

Baelfire saw how twisted and warped the magic was making his father–he wasn’t being naive about it. He knew the man his father was–a coward, yes, but not a bad man, either. A father that wanted to do the right thing–and he wanted him back.

[PriceofMagic]

I agree with you that Bae could see how the magic had changed Rumple and not for the better yet I still think he was naive in thinking how everything would be better if Rumple just gave up the power. Whilst Bae certainly wasn’t wrong about how the magic made Rumple worse, I don’t think he was seeing the bigger picture of what the consequences could be once Rumple gave up the power.Had Rumple been treated right by others before he became the dark one then I think he would have been more willing to give up the power once he’d stopped the ogre war.

All magic comes with a price!

Keeper of Felix

[elle]

Baelfire’s approach was a bit naive I admit–but he was right to want his father to give up his powers. He saw the change, and that was the most important–plus, going to a new world, where no one would know them or what they had done was tempting. They both would have a fresh start–no one would know the things his father had done.

But I agree with what you said about how he was treated–if he was treated better, he may have treated the people better. I’m not sure if he would still had been willing to give his powers up (the power of dark magic is shown to be addiciting, both with Regina and Rumpelstiltskin) but he would have at least been more generous with them than he was. 😀

[antbee]

I have to leave soon, but perhaps more fuel for the Blue Fairy is the true puppet master theory.

From ABC Medianet, http://www.abcmedianet.com/web/showpage/showpage.aspx?program_id=003310&type=lead

Now the fairytale characters must contend with magic in their quest to find a way home, as new fairytale characters are revealed, old acquaintances are revisited, and some we had come to believe could be trusted will turn against their own kind.

Someone just posted this at Fan Forums, so I don’t know how accurate ABC Medianet has been in the past. I guess it could be someone else, but it just screams Blue Fairy to me. Maybe after Snow White and Charming find out about August, things really hit the fan, and we’ll see her turn against Snowing.

[antbee]

No new spoilers yesterday other than Sarah Bolger returning to the set, so I’m resorting to double posting about the ABC Medianet release. 🙁

I was surprised that Red as become one of the top suspects to be the traitor if there is one at Fan Forums. She may regain her wolf form and have trouble controlling it, but she nor Granny have never seemed the traitor type. So I guess it would be a surprising twist if they did turn out to be the traitor, but I don’t think a twist like that could just come out of the blue just to do a twist either.

If it’s not the Blue Fairy, I like the idea of it being Grumpy and Nova turning against the other dwarves and fairies and following through with their love since it would be a happy twist, and not at all like what most people would be expecting in a traitor storyline.

Finally, only one person at Fan Forum has suggested August as the traitor, but the posters were theorizing about how much Regina knows about Bae. I think she knows zero right now, but I wonder if one of the traitors could be in someone finally telling Regina all about Rumple’s son. Obviously, Belle can be ruled out. Right now that leaves only Archie, the Blue Fairy, and August.

Out of those three, I don’t think they would have the Blue Fairy side with Regina by revealing that information to her since that would be showing their hand too early if she really is a Big Bad, imo. Plus, right now revealing that kind of information probably wouldn’t fit with her m.o. where she “helps” people even if it might be for her own hidden agenda.

Archie/Jiminy is a better possibility, but I think most of his storyline this season will be about his redemption for his part in Gepetto’s parents’ deaths and helping people learn to adjust to having dual identities. Plus, he was so spectacularly wrong about Regina when he was Archie when talking to Emma when she was about to leave town that I can’t see him working with her anytime soon.

So that leaves August. I think he could be very vulnerable to being manipulated by Regina especially if she’s able to promise him that she can ensure that he stays a real person forever depending on how he’s transformed back into a human, and if there’s still conditions on staying a real person. The only problem is that he already has so much to redeem himself for that I’m not sure they need to add even more, but on the other hand, if they want to make him more of a background character now, having him reveal that kind of important information to Regina could be one way to do that.

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