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AntBee, what is your name at Fanforum?
Touching on the Regina and Bae thing. She hasn’t a clue about Bae. When she paid him a visit in “The Stranger”, she tells him he created the curse for her and he corrects her. The she asks why he did it and he responds “Figure it out” which I feel like was a mistake because she could end up figuring it out. He should have just kept his mouth shut. Which makes me wonder know who actually knows at least a tiny bit about Bae. So far we know: Gold, Belle, Archie, August, and BF/Mother Superior. Anybody else?
This total lack of spoilers is simulataniously fantastic and frustrating. I swore I’d give up spoilers last week, but I keep looking. The great thing is, that besides Charming’s mom with the wound, nothing much has been revealed at all. They’re doing a great job keeping all the details of the new season hush-hush.
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and some we had come to believe could be trusted will turn against their own kind.
The use of “some” suggests more than one, but it screams Blue to me too.
Can’t see it being August, because is he really considered trustworthy? He’s one of my fave characters and even I wouldn’t say he’s trustworthy. He was hiding stuff from the moment he rolled into town, wouldn’t reveal who he was or why he was there until he got desperate, and though he claimed to not be a liar, that was totally a lie. One of his fairytale persona’s noteworthy traits is that he lies. So I’m thinking we can rule August out of the equation for this spoiler.
Red is far too good a friend to Snow to betray them. It would have to be a seriously big twist and some seriously amazing writing to make that at all believable. Would be very surprised if they went there.
Blue isn’t squeaky clean, but I reckon it’s only those of us who waste too much time thinking about the show who have really contemplated that she could be legitimately shady. Overall on the show, she’s been shown to be on the side of good. She’s the all powerful leader of the fairies who the good guys go to for help and advice. And she’s the freaking Mother Superior in Storybrooke, which is the most trusted position in town.
But we’ve heard her say she’s on the “right” side, so if she didn’t approve of how Charmings&Co were handling things, I could see her not necessarily switching sides in the battle, but she’d start playing by her own rules.
PS. I haven’t posted at Fanforum in forever, but was on there way back in the day when it was little more than a Dawson’s Creek forum. It’s where my life of online fangirling began. Maybe I should go stick my nose into the Once forum over there some time.
Can’t see it being August, because is he really considered trustworthy? He’s one of my fave characters and even I wouldn’t say he’s trustworthy. He was hiding stuff from the moment he rolled into town, wouldn’t reveal who he was or why he was there until he got desperate, and though he claimed to not be a liar, that was totally a lie. One of his fairytale persona’s noteworthy traits is that he lies. So I’m thinking we can rule August out of the equation for this spoiler.
Totally agree with this thought. Not even Emma, who was blind for most of S1, trusts him any longer (though she may forgive him). Even though he lies, I think he’ll be one of the characters who finds redemption this year (which Adam and Eddy said is the theme for S2).
and some we had come to believe could be trusted will turn against their own kind.
Like Phee pointed out, the wording here is interesting. “Some” definitely implies the possibility of more than one character. I think the BF could be one of these characters, potentially. She thinks she serves “the greater good” and has a very utilitarian view of morality. That being said, however, I’d be surprised if she sided with Regina; in fact, I predict this won’t happen since she was very against Regina when the curse was broken in 1×22. I think it’s more likely the BF would try to take control for herself and the fairies. I think Nova will likely join Grumpy though, in a sort of rebellion against the ranks.
The thought also occurred to me that the list could include Belle, whom many believe to be a heroine. If she were to join ranks with Rumpelstiltksin, however, she could become his ally and a de facto villain herself (or at least his accomplice). We don’t know for sure which side Rumpel will take, but we know he’s definitely self-serving to the extent of creating the dark curse to start with. Emilie de Ravin hinted we’d see a “darker” Belle this season. I’m thinking we may also discover that Baelfire, who was so brave and virtuous as a child, may have turned darker after his father let go of him. He could have become embittered and hardened with a tough edge as a result.
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@Josephine wrote:
This total lack of spoilers is simulataniously fantastic and frustrating. I swore I’d give up spoilers last week, but I keep looking. The great thing is, that besides Charming’s mom with the wound, nothing much has been revealed at all. They’re doing a great job keeping all the details of the new season hush-hush.
I’ve been thinking over the last several days how it’s a bit odd that we’ve heard no casting info for Jack since the actual casting call. It’s usually not this long between casting call and casting announcement, is it? We’ve had a couple other actors cast, who everyone leapt on screaming “OMG HE’S BAE!” but so far nothing on Jack. If Jack = Bae, then I could see them wanting to keep the ID of the actor under wraps, because everyone’s dying to know who’ll play him and what he’ll look like.
Michael Raymond-James’ mystery character could be Jack of course, but again, why not just reveal that? Unless Jack is someone significant like Bae, whose face they’d wanna keep secret.
This is an interesting spoiler…
I think the Charming family can be ruled out–Regina is the ememy, they hate her, she hates (with the exception of Henry) all of them.
I think it is safe to rule out Red Riding Hood. She has shown herself to be truly loyal to Snow White and Prince Charming. To have her (or Granny) betray everyone would be very out of character. The only way it would work is if it were explained enough to believe that Red would come to that choice. And even then, it would be hard to believe that she would side with Regina. 🙂
Belle (I think) won’t betray anyone, either. True she may be darker in season 2, but I don’t think it will be to the point of where she will betray everyone. She deeply loves Rumpelstiltskin, and it makes no sense that she would help the woman who imprisoned her–unless Regina was somehow able to control her without her knowledge. 😥
August has been shown to not be trustworthy (nor dependable at times, though I still love him) so there is more of a possibility. I still doubt it–he has his father on his mind, and I think he does feel incredible guilt for what he did to Emma (as he should) so for him to side with Regina does seem a reach, though it could happen if Regina were to promise him something in return.
I can’t picture The Blue Fairy. No matter how much damage she had done, she still has helped in the battle against Regina. It wouldn’t make sense for her to suddenly change sides–though we have seen her to do what she feels is best for everyone. She may feel the need to turn on everyone for what she deems to be the greater good.
But Hook could be the one that turns people against one another–they are building him up to be a smart villain. He could be the one to trick one of the characters.
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AntBee, what is your name at Fanforum?
It’s just AntBee. 😀 I only started posting there yesterday because everyone was discussing the traitor theory before the new spoilers were released, and I was going to post about how I think one of the betrayals could have to do with someone revealing to Regina about Bae. Then, I got sidetracked when I saw Sarah Bolger was returning and ran out of time, and now everyone has moved on from that spoiler since there’s new spoilers again, which I’m grateful for too.
Touching on the Regina and Bae thing. She hasn’t a clue about Bae. When she paid him a visit in “The Stranger”, she tells him he created the curse for her and he corrects her. The she asks why he did it and he responds “Figure it out” which I feel like was a mistake because she could end up figuring it out. He should have just kept his mouth shut. Which makes me wonder know who actually knows at least a tiny bit about Bae. So far we know: Gold, Belle, Archie, August, and BF/Mother Superior. Anybody else?
Yes, I didn’t like Rumple taunting Regina like that because it certainly seemed like something that would come back to haunt him now that they’re still trapped in Storybrooke, and Regina has her magic too now.
It could be that perhaps the “good” guys find out first about Bae, and then Regina just hears it through the grapevine. Or one of those five people spills. I believe it’s only those five too. Of course, I think Gold could be ruled out completely. I think Belle could almost be ruled out completely too because she’s going to want revenge against Regina, and knows what kind of person Regina is now not to trust her in anyway. So that only leaves 3 people that might reveal the secret to Regina.
Like Phee pointed out, the wording here is interesting. “Some” definitely implies the possibility of more than one character. I think the BF could be one of these characters, potentially. She thinks she serves “the greater good” and has a very utilitarian view of morality. That being said, however, I’d be surprised if she sided with Regina; in fact, I predict this won’t happen since she was very against Regina when the curse was broken in 1×22. I think it’s more likely the BF would try to take control for herself and the fairies. I think Nova will likely join Grumpy though, in a sort of rebellion against the ranks.
Yes, I can’t ever see the Blue Fairy working with Regina at least not this soon. First because I think that would reveal too much about the BF, and because I don’t think Regina’s agenda and whatever the BF’s agenda is align right now. Regina is very short-sighted in thinking about only getting Henry back and getting revenge on the Charming clan whereas I think the BF wants to help the Charmings either because she really likes them and/or it’s part of her agenda for now to be on their side.
Can’t see it being August, because is he really considered trustworthy? He’s one of my fave characters and even I wouldn’t say he’s trustworthy. He was hiding stuff from the moment he rolled into town, wouldn’t reveal who he was or why he was there until he got desperate, and though he claimed to not be a liar, that was totally a lie. One of his fairytale persona’s noteworthy traits is that he lies. So I’m thinking we can rule August out of the equation for this spoiler.
That’s a good point that he’s hardly trustworthy now, but if one of those 3 did spill the beans to Regina about Bae, I’d have to go with August right now, well if he’s human now, because I think he would be the most vulnerable. Plus, I forgot to add before that out of the 3, he maybe the only one that knows about the Dagger, which is something else I’m also very worried about in Regina finding out. The BF might know, but it’s not too clear whether she revealed that information to August or whether Bae may have met August and worked on a plan with him to get the Dagger away from Rumple.
This total lack of spoilers is simulataniously fantastic and frustrating. I swore I’d give up spoilers last week, but I keep looking. The great thing is, that besides Charming’s mom with the wound, nothing much has been revealed at all. They’re doing a great job keeping all the details of the new season hush-hush.
That’s true at first when all the casting announcement kept coming out and the first episode spoilers came out, I was worried that they weren’t going to hold back anything which on one hand would satisfy my spoiler urge, but on the other hand probably wouldn’t leave me too satisfied when watching the show if I knew so much about what was going to happen months in advance.
The two things I really want most right now though are to see who is going to be connected to the fort/swing set, and pictures of Michael Raymond-James on set.
I’ve been thinking over the last several days how it’s a bit odd that we’ve heard no casting info for Jack since the actual casting call. It’s usually not this long between casting call and casting announcement, is it? We’ve had a couple other actors cast, who everyone leapt on screaming “OMG HE’S BAE!” but so far nothing on Jack. If Jack = Bae, then I could see them wanting to keep the ID of the actor under wraps, because everyone’s dying to know who’ll play him and what he’ll look like.
Michael Raymond-James’ mystery character could be Jack of course, but again, why not just reveal that? Unless Jack is someone significant like Bae, whose face they’d wanna keep secret.
Yes, they usually have revealed the casting announcement fairly soon after making the casting call, so that does seem very unusual that they haven’t. Of course, even if Michael Raymond-James is Jack and Bae, it seems weird that they can’t even announce the Jack part because fans are going to speculate that he could also be Bae whether they reveal that or not.
Maybe he’s Peter Pan, or maybe they want people to think he’s Peter Pan. (I suddenly feel like Vizzini in The Princess Bride.)
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Plus, I forgot to add before that out of the 3, he maybe the only one that knows about the Dagger, which is something else I’m also very worried about in Regina finding out. The BF might know, but it’s not too clear whether she revealed that information to August or whether Bae may have met August and worked on a plan with him to get the Dagger away from Rumple.
I totally think that Mother Superior is the “little fairy” who told August all about the dagger.
Totally think she retained her memories, because she’d have felt it was her obligation to keep an eye on how things played out in their new world, and she’d have probably been the only one in FTL with the power to ward off that part of the curse.
She’d also have had knowledge of the dagger in FTL. If she was the original power, I suspect she may have had a hand in creating the Dark One curse and the dagger. Even if not, someone in her position of power would have made it her business to know as much as possible about the ultimate evil being in her realm.
We know August saw her in Storybrooke before he went to see Mr Gold. I believe that it was a case of Pinocchio tracking down BF, someone powerful who he’d known personally in FTL, someone who had helped him before, because he was at a loss about what to do next and needed advice. Lucky for him, she had her memories and some information for him.
Yes, they usually have revealed the casting announcement fairly soon after making the casting call, so that does seem very unusual that they haven’t. Of course, even if Michael Raymond-James is Jack and Bae, it seems weird that they can’t even announce the Jack part because fans are going to speculate that he could also be Bae whether they reveal that or not.
Maybe he’s Peter Pan, or maybe they want people to think he’s Peter Pan. (I suddenly feel like Vizzini in The Princess Bride.)
Whoever else MRJ may be, I’m really starting to think that he’s (also) gonna be Henry’s father. With Charming seemingly easily stepping into a father figure role, judging by set pics, especially those new pics of them play sword fighting, it would add some tension to the storyline of that newly forming relationship if Henry’s bio-dad showed up in town around the same time. Oh wow, new crackpot theory…
…Henry’s bio dad shows up and wants to get to know him. Emma tries to come between them, insisting that he’s bad news, even though Henry wants to give him a chance. Regina sees an in to get Henry back in her good graces and tries to encourage his dad being in his life. Could Henry then choose to switch sides and warm to Regina and turn against Emma? Not sure if that would be awesome in a tragic way, or just plain tragic. Would they even go there? I think my head just sploded. 😕
Phee wrote: Michael Raymond-James’ mystery character could be Jack of course, but again, why not just reveal that? Unless Jack is someone significant like Bae, whose face they’d wanna keep secret.
That’s an interesting point. Why go to the trouble of keeping the character identity secret unless he’s someone significant?
Phee wrote:Whoever else MRJ may be, I’m really starting to think that he’s (also) gonna be Henry’s father. With Charming seemingly easily stepping into a father figure role, judging by set pics, especially those new pics of them play sword fighting, it would add some tension to the storyline of that newly forming relationship if Henry’s bio-dad showed up in town around the same time. Oh wow, new crackpot theory…
I could definitely see a potential rivalry between PC and Henry’s birth-father, especially if the bio-dad turns out to be “no hero,” as Emma claimed. I just think that there’ll be a build-up over time. It seems like the writers would at least want to spread that story arch out over several episodes. Perhaps they’ll just introduce this guy as a new “stranger” scenario, but wait for the big reveal half-way through the season. We haven’t seen any footage of Jennifer Morrison or Ginny Goodwin for the filming of episode 2×2 or 2×3, leading many to speculate their characters are missing from SB. Perhaps with Emma out of town and Henry in PC’s care, that opens the door of possibility for Henry’s dad to appear on the scene without fear of Emma identifying him. Then, when Emma returns, the big reveal will happen. ❗ I actually love this theory!
Elle wrote:Belle (I think) won’t betray anyone, either. True she may be darker in season 2, but I don’t think it will be to the point of where she will betray everyone. She deeply loves Rumpelstiltskin, and it makes no sense that she would help the woman who imprisoned her–unless Regina was somehow able to control her without her knowledge.
I wasn’t suggesting that Belle would try and betray Rumpelstiltskin to Regina. Rather, if it suited Rumpel’s plans to betray everyone else in SB (like the Charmings), he’d do it for his son’s sake, and Belle could become his accomplice. We’ve already seen him create the dark curse to follow his son to our world. Rumpel’s on his own side, against Regina and possibly against everyone else. It could quick become a “every man-for-himself” scenario.
Elle wrote:I can’t picture The Blue Fairy. No matter how much damage she had done, she still has helped in the battle against Regina. It wouldn’t make sense for her to suddenly change sides–though we have seen her to do what she feels is best for everyone. She may feel the need to turn on everyone for what she deems to be the greater good.
I don’t think the BF would side with Regina either; after all, we saw the BF go to great lengths to commission a wardrobe for Emma, the savior. The BF could, however, totally have her own secret agenda. One theory is that the BF wanted Rumpel to create the dark curse, because the Enchanted Forest was running out of magic. Everyone knows Rumpel has a lot of power, but the BF is called the “original power” for a reason, although we don’t yet know exactly what that means. In her own mind, she could be acting for the “greater good” but the other fairy-tale characters might not view that way, and thus would consider it a “betrayal.” Again, just a theory.
Phee wrote:We know August saw her in Storybrooke before he went to see Mr Gold. I believe that it was a case of Pinocchio tracking down BF, someone powerful who he’d known personally in FTL, someone who had helped him before, because he was at a loss about what to do next and needed advice. Lucky for him, she had her memories and some information for him.
That makes total sense. I’ve always thought the BF kept her memories in tact by using her own magic to ward off the effects of the dark curse. Those may have been her last minute “preparations” just before the curse reached the castle.
Elle wrote:But Hook could be the one that turns people against one another–they are building him up to be a smart villain. He could be the one to trick one of the characters.
That’s a very interesting theory. From the casting call description, Captain Hook is supposed to have the manners of an old-school gentleman but is also supposed to be ruthless. It’d be interesting if he tries to befriend Snow’s gang and then betrays them all to Regina. I could totally see Regina being seduced by this cunning pirate, who could also play Regina for his own purposes against Rumpelstiltskin. (I have a theory that Rumpel and Hook are rivals going back centuries because Hook stole Rumpel’s wife). The one downside to this theory is that the spoiler says the Benedict Arnold betrays his/her “own kind”, and though Hook is from a fairy-tale, he comes from Neverland and not the Enchanted Forest. We’ll see.
AntBee wrote:Yes, I didn’t like Rumple taunting Regina like that because it certainly seemed like something that would come back to haunt him now that they’re still trapped in Storybrooke, and Regina has her magic too now.
Now that the dark curse has been broken, it may be possible for everyone to leave SB. Just because Rumpel brought magic to town, doesn’t necessarily mean the characters are trapped. Perhaps magic will spread beyond the town boarders to the rest of the world. That could be what brings Baelfire to town as he tracks the source of magic! If he’s still alive, he’d certainly recognize the use of magic to be from another world, and he’s probably want to know how it came to a land without magic. 💡
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I kind of like the idea of the Blue Fairy for a traitor…but since she is the leader of the fairies: wouldn’t most follow her? Do think it would be powerful to have a rift between the fairies at some point, especially after the interview revealed that BF is/was training Nova to be the future leader. Can definitely see a divide between the BF’s ‘greater good’ motives and a reformation of these ideas lead by Nova.
‘Turn against their own kind” has me thinking it isn’t just someone from the good side joining/spying for Regina (or another baddie): but turning against their species. Could it be a Dwarf? That doesn’t make sense to me, none of them would turn on Snow!
What would be interesting, IMHO, would be this being about Ariel. We know that both Snow and Emma were absent the first few days of filming (I think I read somewhere about water training?) What if their going to introduce Merpeople early on in the season (as allies or just ‘good’ guys) and Ariel befriends Snow/Emma. Although ‘we had come to believe could be trusted’ first had me thinking it had to be a character from season 1, since the Little Mermaid is a character some of us have known since childhood, won’t we assume she’s going to be a trustworthy friend of the ‘good guys’.
Her motives? Ever since it was revealed how young (and attractive) Hook is going to be, I’ve wondered if he could have another counterpart. Now, I kind of like the idea that he is also Prince Eric…without actually being a prince of course! The actor kind of looks like Eric. My first thought was Ariel turns against her own kind by falling in love and trying to help HOOK in whatever his motives are going to be. To add angst, they’ll work more from the Hans Christian Anderson story: he’ll just not be into her, possibly loves the desperate housewife from the bar, and Ariel will continually sacrifice and sacrifice for his well being: not sure if she’ll become sea foam at some point, but hopefully she’ll get over him in a few seasons….
Another thought, probably the most likely, would be Ariel made a deal with Regina and is now indebted to serve her. That will probably be it, if any of this….
Ohh, the closer it gets to the premiere the more I’m believing MRJ is Henry’s father. Like you guys have said, the pictures coming out of Charming and Henry are pretty father-figure type. I can imagine him swaggering into town now earlier in the season than we all thought and disrupting the ne found family unit of the Clan Charming.
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