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I didn’t mean that you thought Belle would be the traitor. I was just doing a list of potentials possibilities. 😀 I do think that Belle will have her limit on Rumpelstiltskin’s actions. Even with probably supporting him, I don’t think she will enjoy how he manipulates or betrays everyone. There is also still the matter of her father (if he is innocent), as well as how he created the curse and made everyone miserable.
I heard about that theory with The Blue Fairy wanting Rumpelstiltskin to make the curse. I somehow doubt it–I said it on that forum before, but she seemed pretty confident that he would be able to make the curse. She even seemed to try to talk him out of it–she mentioned that the price would be high. But she has done enough damage that the other characters (as you said) might see her actions as a betrayal.
I’m thinking that Hook is going to cause the group to sort of split-apart. He may be able to use Regina. The writers and actress said that her main concern is getting Henry back, so I don't think she will be seduced. He might be able to promise her to help her get Henry back, though with magic back she may not need his help.
[adrotate group="5"]Elle:I’m thinking that Hook is going to cause the group to sort of split-apart. He may be able to use Regina.
I like this theory a lot. The only reason I said he may seduce Regina (or will at least try to) is because he’s described in the casting call as a bit of a ladies’ man, and Regina seems lonely now that Henry and Graham are gone from her life. Hook and Regina are both equally brutal and ruthless, which led me to surmise that they could become an item (at least a one-time thing).
Anyway, there is confirmation that filming for episode 4 is under way! Colin O’Donoghue tweeted that he’s “strapped on his hook” and is filming with the venerable Robert Carlyle! There is clearly some connection between the two characters, Captain Hook and Rumpelstiltskin, since we saw the promo in which the pirate broke into Mr. Gold’w pawn shop and stole his hook back.
Also, this episode is going to have what could be some big reveal, as indicated by the “closed set” with no photography. Ginny Goodwin (Snow White) tweeted a picture with the message “ironic” (probably because it was a night shoot, and any candid photos from far off wouldn’t have turned out well):
I’m really hoping that the big reveal isn’t that Henry’s dad is Captain Hook! I know it’d be far-fetched (not to mention unpopular). It’s just an annoying thought in the back of my mind. Emma said the father was “no hero” and that Henry didn’t need to know the real story. Is Emma trying to protect Henry? Could Captain Hook side with Regina in an effort to get custody of Henry? I’m hoping this is just a wacky thought, and that Henry’s dad is someone else completely.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
Okay someone a few pages back was talking about one of the characters being a traitor. Was there some sort of news that a character was going to be a traitor? Or was that just an idea that was being bandied around as a possibility?
@hjbau wrote:
Okay someone a few pages back was talking about one of the characters being a traitor. Was there some sort of news that a character was going to be a traitor? Or was that just an idea that was being bandied around as a possibility?
It’s from a summary about the show from ABC Medianet. http://www.abcmedianet.com/web/showpage/showpage.aspx?program_id=003310&type=lead
Now the fairytale characters must contend with magic in their quest to find a way home, as new fairytale characters are revealed, old acquaintances are revisited, and some we had come to believe could be trusted will turn against their own kind.
I don’t know how reliable the spoiler is because it could just be someone that has no connection at all to the show writing the summary. I got it from someone at FanForums, so I’m not entirely sure if ABCMedianet has been a good source for spoilers in the past.
Of course, it wouldn’t surprise me if at least one character turns out to be a traitor during the run of the show because I think that happens on every genre show if they run long enough, at least.
Anyway, there is confirmation that filming for episode 4 is under way! Colin O’Donoghue tweeted that he’s “strapped on his hook” and is filming with the venerable Robert Carlyle! There is clearly some connection between the two characters, Captain Hook and Rumpelstiltskin, since we saw the promo in which the pirate broke into Mr. Gold’w pawn shop and stole his hook back.
Yes, it looks like the speculation about the fourth episode being Rumple-centric were true. This makes me even more convinced that Milha was Bae’s mom.
I still don’t know about the Bae as Peter Pan theory though. They’re certainly setting it up to make it seem that way right now, but I’m still holding out hope that because Bae was connected with the last magic bean that he’ll turn out to be this mysterious Jack character.
I’m really hoping that the big reveal isn’t that Henry’s dad is Captain Hook! I know it’d be far-fetched (not to mention unpopular). It’s just an annoying thought in the back of my mind. Emma said the father was “no hero” and that Henry didn’t need to know the real story. Is Emma trying to protect Henry? Could Captain Hook side with Regina in an effort to get custody of Henry? I’m hoping this is just a wacky thought, and that Henry’s dad is someone else completely.
I don’t think he is unless Bae turns out to be Captain Hook since they said we may have already seen Henry’s father before. I guess Bae could be Captain Hook, but right now I think that Captain Hook was someone Rumple knew a long time ago because of the Milha character, who I think was Rumple’s wife.
There’s also a new spoiler at TWoP about August that I read last night, but their forums are down right now because of maintenance. I’m not sure how reliable that one is since it’s from a friend of Tony Amendola’s.
ETA: Aw, finally TWoP is back up this morning. Here’s the spoiler,
For what it’s worth, I talked to Tony Amendola (Geppetto) today and asked him if when we come back, if Geppetto knows August/Pinocchio is in Storybrook or not and if he’s filmed scenes with him. While he didn’t give an episode number, he confirmed they were reunite “soon” and “they can’t leave that storyline opened for very long”. He made a comment about Geppetto “visiting Pinocchio’s bedside”. So far he’s in the 3rd episode but he’s filmed more. He also pretty much made it seem that August will not be in good shape when they return as well! I know it’s not the best spoiler but at least we know they’ll find each other sooner, rather than later.
@slurpeez108 wrote:
Anyway, there is confirmation that filming for episode 4 is under way! Colin O’Donoghue tweeted that he’s “strapped on his hook” and is filming with the venerable Robert Carlyle! There is clearly some connection between the two characters, Captain Hook and Rumpelstiltskin, since we saw the promo in which the pirate broke into Mr. Gold’s pawn shop and stole his hook back.
I’m not convinced that Hook’s hook will actually be in Mr Gold’s shop, I suspect that was just an interesting way for them to shoot a promo for the Hook reveal. But I also suspect that Hook stole Rumple’s wife back in the day, so that’s how I’m gonna explain them having scenes together. 😉
Casting call info for Beaman was online on July 26. Casting reveal for Hook was Aug 3. Cutting it close I suppose, but it depends how long those things were settled before they were leaked. And we haven’t heard any further casting news for Beaman, so I’m still sticking with him having been the FTL alter ego of Hook. And I suspect maybe we haven’t had casting info for Milha because they had to cast someone who looks like she’s Bae’s mother, so they didn’t want her face known beforehand. You can’t fool me, Adam and Eddy. I don’t need to see someone’s face to be able to figure out who they are! 😛
For what it’s worth, I talked to Tony Amendola (Geppetto) today and asked him if when we come back, if Geppetto knows August/Pinocchio is in Storybrook or not and if he’s filmed scenes with him. While he didn’t give an episode number, he confirmed they were reunite “soon” and “they can’t leave that storyline opened for very long”. He made a comment about Geppetto “visiting Pinocchio’s bedside”. So far he’s in the 3rd episode but he’s filmed more. He also pretty much made it seem that August will not be in good shape when they return as well! I know it’s not the best spoiler but at least we know they’ll find each other sooner, rather than later.
I’ll bet August is still gonna be a big ole’ block of wood in that bed, and it’ll take Mother Superior to make him real again.
August and Geppetto probably reunite in Ep 2 since there were those pictures of Geppetto holding a sign where he was looking for Pinocchio. That is if that doesn’t get cut for time.
Thanks Antbee for the link. Turn against their own kind sounds like a fairy to me, but who knows. And you are right that the description is probably suspect, but they do usually have someone turn traitor in shows. It seems very unlikely that it would be Red or Granny to me. They may just mean Jefferson joining and helping Charming. Who knows.
@Phee wrote:
But I also suspect that Hook stole Rumple’s wife back in the day, so that’s how I’m gonna explain them having scenes together. 😉
In Desperate Souls, Rumple told Bae his mother was dead. Perhaps she died after running off with Hook.
Maybe Rumple and Hook have scenes together in Storybrooke? Perhaps Hook starts chasing after Belle similar to how he started chasing after Rumple’s first wife. I don’t think they’re going to let Rumple’s and Belle’s relationship run smooth. Having Hook going after Belle would make Rumple antsy that Belle may leave him like his first wife did.
And I suspect maybe we haven’t had casting info for Milha because they had to cast someone who looks like she’s Bae’s mother, so they didn’t want her face known beforehand.
Interesting theory. Wasn’t it said somewhere in an interview that we would find out what happened to Bae this season?
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@Phee wrote:
But I also suspect that Hook stole Rumple’s wife back in the day, so that’s how I’m gonna explain them having scenes together. 😉
In Desperate Souls, Rumple told Bae his mother was dead. Perhaps she died after running off with Hook.
Maybe Rumple and Hook have scenes together in Storybrooke? Perhaps Hook starts chasing after Belle similar to how he started chasing after Rumple’s first wife. I don’t think they’re going to let Rumple’s and Belle’s relationship run smooth. Having Hook going after Belle would make Rumple antsy that Belle may leave him like his first wife did.
Bae grew up believing his mother to be dead. Hordor implied that Rumple’s wife ran off because she was ashamed of him. Then when Bae asked him about whether or not she was really dead, there was a dramatic pause before Rumple rather unconvincingly said yes. So I’ve always figured there was more to the story.
Now we have Milha who, “is bored with being a wife and mother. Yearning for adventure, she joins a band of thieves,” in the same ep as Beaman, ” a criminal who deals in stolen antiques,” in the same ep we also meet Hook, who we now know has scenes with Robert Carlyle.
If Hook has a history of stealing Rumple’s wife, it’d definitely create some tension if he showed up in SB and had eyes for Belle.
And I suspect maybe we haven’t had casting info for Milha because they had to cast someone who looks like she’s Bae’s mother, so they didn’t want her face known beforehand.
Interesting theory. Wasn’t it said somewhere in an interview that we would find out what happened to Bae this season?
Yeah, I think this will just be the reveal of who his parents were in this ep. It was implied that Rumple may not be his bio-dad, and I just think Beaman is far too close to Baelfire to be coincidence, so I’m going with this Beaman(Hook) being the real baby-daddy.
And I’ve also got my money on MRJ’s character being Henry’s bio-dad, which would make for a nice little recurring theme in a few eps at the start of the season.
The fact that Captain Hook and possibly Neverland are connected to Rumpel’s storyline really makes me think that Bae is Peter Pan. Like, A LOT.
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