More Spoilers for Season 2

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@AntBee wrote:

It is weird why they won’t reveal who they’ve cast in that role since presumably the actress already must have been cast since this is the episode that she’s suppose to appear in. I wonder if they found someone who looks incredibly like Dylan Schmid and/or Michael Raymond-James, and that’s why they’re keeping it under wraps because unless the actress looks a lot like either of those two actors, I would just assume that Bae took after Rumple or whoever his biological dad might be.

Yes, it all seems very suspicious to me that they’ve been so cagey with certain casting info. Considering how everyone jumps on it whenever a guy is cast who looks even remotely like Bae, it’d make sense to me that if Milha was actually cast to look like him, they’d keep her face a secret until it’s revealed in the ep.

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@PriceofMagic wrote:

I don’t think Rumple killed his first wife because, at the time ,he was such a coward that he didn’t have it in him. I think Rumple was telling Bae the truth about his mother being dead, he just conveniently left out the part where she ran off with another man beforehand.

I agree. If Rumpel was too afraid to fight in a war, I don’t really see how he’d be able to murder his own wife. It doesn’t add up.

Yep, I’m sure that Zoso was the first person Rumple ever killed, and that’s only because he was driven to it out of desperation and fear for his son. No way could he have killed Bae’s mother IMO.

And I’ll wait to see how Rumpel’s wife if portrayed on the show before judging her. If she really was just a bored housewife who abandoned her own husband and child, then I won’t have much sympathy for her. Hopefully, there’s more to her story than that. Because I can already see the horde of fangirls ready to tear her apart. 😆

I’d say it’s a given that Rumple’s ex won’t be a huge fan fave no matter what she’s like. Given how much the fandom loves Rumbelle, his ex can hardly have been his true love, so they may as well not bother trying to write her in a sympathetic way.

@PriceofMagic wrote:

Rumple’s wife is barely mentioned and what little we do know about her is that she left Rumple because of his cowardice and she may have conceived Bae with another man whilst still married to Rumple. Perhaps the affair was ongoing whilst Rumple was away at the ogre wars and his return was rather inconvenient for her.

Yeah, I think we’ll see her having an affair (and getting pregnant) with this Beaman character while Rumple is off at war. Then Rumple will come back and she’ll be torn, and will find it hard to stay with him when the whole kingdom is getting down on him for being a deserter. Then not long after Bae is born, she’ll go to join Beaman, and will either run away with him, or she’ll die when his gang of thieves are set upon. Maybe she’ll have babyBae with her at the time, and Rumple will find her dead, still holding him, so he’ll take him for his own, even though he knows he’s not really his.

@Elle wrote:

Speaking of which, since many are convinced that Rumpelstiltskin’s wife ran off with Captain Hook (not sure about that theory, but I digress) could it also be speculated that Captain Hook is Baelfire’s biological father?

Yep, that’s the theory I’m going with right now, that Beaman was Hook’s FTL alter ego in the past, when he had an affair with Rumple’s wife, making him Bae’s bio-dad.

I think August will still be wooden–magic may be back, but he still did not act as he was instructed to. That won’t be taken back. Which also brings up the traitor–my brother and I thought of Gepetto. He may be desperate to help his son, and he may be willing to go to either Rumpelstiltskin or Regina for help. 🙁

Yes, if it’s up to BF to turn him back again, she may not be keen to, given the events surrounding the wardrobe. Though I do think she was helping August after he came to town, but she was likely doing so for everyone else’s good, not necessarily his own, so she may not be moved to fix him. I could see Gepetto getting desperate and going to the other side for help to save his son. Rumple probably wouldn’t be keen to help, coz he’s got no love for August. But Regina could tell him, “I’ll help you get your son back if you’ll help me get mine back.”

There is also the favor that Emma owes Mr. Gold. She may be forced to do something that could be seen as a betrayal. I don’t think Emma would be forced into something nefarious, but it is a possibility.

She wouldn’t have much choice but to comply when he asks for that favour. If she tries to wriggle out of that deal, methinks some not good stuff will happen.

[hjbau]

It didn’t take much to tip Rumpel into murdering the dark one and it takes a lot to tip a normal person into killing someone for the first time. Though that may just be the bad writing that is Desperate Souls.

[antbee]

Speaking of which, since many are convinced that Rumpelstiltskin’s wife ran off with Captain Hook (not sure about that theory, but I digress) could it also be speculated that Captain Hook is Baelfire’s biological father?

It could certainly be possible. Perhaps Rumple wouldn’t have been so enraged if he hadn’t wondered the same question at one time.

Yeah, I think we’ll see her having an affair (and getting pregnant) with this Beaman character while Rumple is off at war. Then Rumple will come back and she’ll be torn, and will find it hard to stay with him when the whole kingdom is getting down on him for being a deserter. Then not long after Bae is born, she’ll go to join Beaman, and will either run away with him, or she’ll die when his gang of thieves are set upon. Maybe she’ll have babyBae with her at the time, and Rumple will find her dead, still holding him, so he’ll take him for his own, even though he knows he’s not really his.

This sounds like it could definitely happen in the show if Milha turns out to be Bae’s mom. I like how Bae’s situation would sort of mirror Henry’s situation with his moms if this turns out to be true. Although in Bae’s case, his “real” dad would be the Regina while Rumple would be the Emma. If Bae does turn out to be Peter Pan, maybe Hook hates Bae/Peter because he felt that Bae/Peter was the reason Milha ended up dying or some reason like that.

There is also the favor that Emma owes Mr. Gold. She may be forced to do something that could be seen as a betrayal. I don’t think Emma would be forced into something nefarious, but it is a possibility.

Ooh, that would be interesting. I forgot now that magic is back, she’s bound by the deal that she made otherwise there will be consequences for her. She should have said that getting back the potion would make them even, but of course she was worried about Henry at the time and wasn’t concerned about the favor she still owed Mr. Gold.

If Henry’s dad comes back into town, and Mr. Gold suspects that he’s Bae, I think the favor would probably would do with him. I’m sure Snowing will probably hate him for what he did to their daughter, so if Emma is forced to be nice to him to find out if he’s Bae for sure or something like that, I could see that being seen as a betrayal not a major one perhaps, but maybe to Snowing it would be major.

The thing is, I don’t trust Gepetto. We already know that he’s worked behind the scenes for his own happiness. Although I find it hard to dislike him because he chose his son over the world, it wouldn’t be a shock if he finds August (still in wooden form), is for some reason turned away by the Blue Fairy, and turns to Regina out of desperation (maybe mirroring the father/son desperate souls dynamics.)

I like that story idea especially if they have to do a Gepetto/August-centric episode this season. I think it would also be a good way to keep August in the background now because I could see Snowing forgiving Gepetto and August eventually for what happened before, but if Gepetto went to Regina to get help even out of desperation, the Charmings would probably never be able to get over that. Even if August was allowed to be on the War Council and his dad wasn’t, it might be too awkward for August to be around the Charmings for very long.

[Slurpeez]

More confirmation that Robert Carlyle and Colin O’Donoghue are a great pair and working together for 2 days striaght:

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

[PriceofMagic]

@hjbau wrote:

It didn’t take much to tip Rumpel into murdering the dark one and it takes a lot to tip a normal person into killing someone for the first time. Though that may just be the bad writing that is Desperate Souls.

Rumple was desperate and had no other options when he killed the dark one. It was Bae’s birthday and the soldiers were on their way to take him away. Rumple had already been through an ogre war so he knew what it was like and didn’t want the same fate for Bae.

All magic comes with a price!

Keeper of Felix

[midnight dreary]

Thanks for the tweet! 😀

I can’t wait to see Robert and Colin’s scenes together. I love that Rumpel is attached to the Neverland storyline. I’ve always loved the story of Peter Pan and Captain Hook. It was one of my favorite fairytales growing up as a child. 😀

[hjbau]

@PriceofMagic wrote:

Rumple was desperate and had no other options when he killed the dark one. It was Bae’s birthday and the soldiers were on their way to take him away. Rumple had already been through an ogre war so he knew what it was like and didn’t want the same fate for Bae.

He had another option. He could have let Bae go. That is what Bae wanted. He could have tried to run again.

[midnight dreary]

@hjbau wrote:

@PriceofMagic wrote:

Rumple was desperate and had no other options when he killed the dark one. It was Bae’s birthday and the soldiers were on their way to take him away. Rumple had already been through an ogre war so he knew what it was like and didn’t want the same fate for Bae.

He had another option. He could have let Bae go. That is what Bae wanted. He could have tried to run again.

I don’t think anyone would let their 14-year-old child run off to be killed in an already established unjust war to be sacrificed.

[elle]

I don’t think Rumpelstiltskin would have gotten far running a second time. He would have been caught again, and possible killed for it. The Knight was obviously cruel–he would have enjoyed killing, or at least torturing him.

I had forgotten about magic coming back–now Emma will truly have no choice, not unless she either is able to get out of it, or if the task is not too dark. Even if Emma is forced, she might be able to find a loophole–Rumpelstiltskin did it himself with his deal with Regina when he promised something tragic would happen to Kathryn.

Concerning the Blue Fairy, I don’t think she will have much power. Rumpelstiltskin does not like them, and since their magic does not react well with his, he will probably do what he can to make sure they have little to no power, and since he made the curse and the True Love potion, it might not be too hard.

[PriceofMagic]

@hjbau wrote:

@PriceofMagic wrote:

Rumple was desperate and had no other options when he killed the dark one. It was Bae’s birthday and the soldiers were on their way to take him away. Rumple had already been through an ogre war so he knew what it was like and didn’t want the same fate for Bae.

He had another option. He could have let Bae go. That is what Bae wanted. He could have tried to run again.

Like Midnight Dreary said, what parent would willingly let their 14 year old child go off to die? It was already established in the episode that running away was no longer an option and Rumple was running out of time. The night he kills the dark one is the night before Bae’s birthday. In a way Rumple was being brave, rather than being a coward and just letting his son get taken away, Rumple went “as far as it takes” in order to protect Bae.

All magic comes with a price!

Keeper of Felix

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