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November 16, 2015 at 1:15 am #312615SlurpeezParticipant
I don’t think it MADE him evil. I just think in his anger, he’s choosing revenge against Emma. He is choosing the dark route himself because of what she did. I honestly don’t buy how that works but *shrug* I mean I get him being angry about being a dark one but enough to want to hurt Emma???
I guess that part makes a bit of sense. Hook is a guy who spent centuries seeking revenge on Rumple for killing Milha. Now Emma has turned Hook into the epitome of the thing he hates most. Hook’s not exactly going to see it as an act of love and might even seek revenge on Emma.
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November 16, 2015 at 1:56 am #312622nevermoreParticipantOk, this is a bit of a ridiculous question and has to do with the fact that I was distracted while watching this (husband, toddler, cat, work tomorrow — you know the drill). But does this multiplication of Dark Ones mean that any of the DOs we saw in Emma”s hallucination could be contemporaries? You know — Sam the DO decides he can’t live without his sweetheart Nancy, Nancy the DO decides that she really needs cousin Bob to be there for her, cousin Bob … You get the picture.
November 16, 2015 at 2:09 am #312624TheWatcherParticipantOk, this is a bit of a ridiculous question and has to do with the fact that I was distracted while watching this (husband, toddler, cat, work tomorrow — you know the drill). But does this multiplication of Dark Ones mean that any of the DOs we saw in Emma”s hallucination could be contemporaries? You know — Sam the DO decides he can’t live without his sweetheart Nancy, Nancy the DO decides that she really needs cousin Bob to be there for her, cousin Bob … You get the picture.
doubt it. None of the other dark ones had the sword to tether the darkness to others or, ya know, Merlin to take the darkness from. Or whatever happened.
"I could have the giant duck as my steed!" --Daniel Radcliffe
Keeper Of Tamara's Taser , Jafar's Staff, Kitsis’s Glasses , Ariel’s Tail, Dopey's Hat , Peter Pan’s Shadow, Outfit, & Pied Cloak,Red Queen's Castle, White Rabbit's Power To World Hop, Zelena's BroomStick, & ALL MAGICNovember 16, 2015 at 8:18 am #312638RumplesGirlKeymasterAlso, the fact that Hook hasn’t heard voices in his head or demonstrated dark magic tendencies is ridiculous. Are we really supposed to believe he didn’t know he had dark magic?
I have no idea. We’ve been told and shown that the Darkness is like a parasite that causes the host to have actual symptoms. Emma was treated like a patient with a terminal illness in Camelot. The voices, the fear, the random bouts of magic, all of those things were symptomatic of having the Darkness inside her. This is to say nothing of Nimue and Rumple, both of whom were instantly changed, in both form and demeanor, when they became the Dark Ones. The Darkness wants out, it wants to take control of the host. That’s what we’ve been seeing with Emma. But none of that is present with Hook. In fact, he’s been a waxing poetic about how much he loves Emma, how much he’s changed, and speaking about his past crimes with regret, casting himself as a villain. None of it makes a lick of sense.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"November 16, 2015 at 8:41 am #312644ellemo78ParticipantThere is no need for Hook to hear/see previous Dark Ones, as his Dark One-ness has come from the corruption of Merlin’s magic. Emma said she would use Merlin’s magic and the flame (not sure how those two things go together, but I’m willing to go with it) there are no Dark Ones in Merlin’s head and therefore no Dark One’s in Hook’s head b/c the magic that brought him back to life (thether his life to the blade) was once light. Merlin’s magic came before Nimue’s magic so there are no previous Dark Ones to see. Hook’s a new type of Dark One, like Nimue’s Dark One-ness which was a corruption of the Holy Grail’s magic.
Hook has been pretty angry this season in Storybrooke, lots of yelling and arguing and was quite happy to make Arthur pay for lying to them (this was before he knew of his Dark One status) If he’s not sleeping, he can write it off as being worried about Emma (which is perfectly reasonable. I’m sure they’ve only had a couple days back in SB after being in Camelot) And without Dark Ones in his head pushing him into using his Darkness, again he can write it off as his own personal demons giving him dark thoughts. But once he’s been shown it’s not his own thoughts, he can indulge. And why try and use magic if you don’t know you have it? Emma needed to be really pushed for her magic to surface the first time.
If one is to engage with the primordial forces of darkness, one must expect a little social awkwardness
November 16, 2015 at 9:56 am #312647callmeLolaParticipantHook has been pretty angry this season in Storybrooke, lots of yelling and arguing and was quite happy to make Arthur pay for lying to them (this was before he knew of his Dark One status) If he’s not sleeping, he can write it off as being worried about Emma (which is perfectly reasonable. I’m sure they’ve only had a couple days back in SB after being in Camelot) And without Dark Ones in his head pushing him into using his Darkness, again he can write it off as his own personal demons giving him dark thoughts. But once he’s been shown it’s not his own thoughts, he can indulge. And why try and use magic if you don’t know you have it? Emma needed to be really pushed for her magic to surface the first time.
I agree. And you’ve made some excellent points. I also think that along with the memory loss, Killians dark powers were tethered to Excalibur which until episode 7 was still in the stone. Perhaps his darker impulses were muted because the stone camouflaged the power that the sword was holding.
I also don’t believe he’s going to go all “dark one crazy” on Emma as the promo is leading us to believe. There’s more to the missing 3 weeks and all that talk about “love having to forgive anything” (or whatever the exact quote is) has to come back around.
November 16, 2015 at 12:25 pm #312654SweetsParticipantI agree. And you’ve made some excellent points. I also think that along with the memory loss, Killians dark powers were tethered to Excalibur which until episode 7 was still in the stone. Perhaps his darker impulses were muted because the stone camouflaged the power that the sword was holding.
That’s my explanation for his actions.
I wonder if we are going to meet all of the people Hook has murdered.
November 16, 2015 at 1:39 pm #312657callmeLolaParticipantwonder if we are going to meet all of the people Hook has murdered.
I feel like the writers are banging us over the head repeatedly to get our collective attention. All this talk of Cora, Daniel, the many villagers Regina ‘s killed and now with Hook mentioning the two men he murdered plus Liam, there is bound to be considerable payoff. I have to say, I’m REALLY enjoying this Dark Emma arc.
Does anyone get the impression that Merlin may have known all along that Killian would turn dark? Merlins claim that he saw “bits and pieces” of future events along with his insistence to Emma not to pull the sword from the stone because of dire consequences sends a red flag. I also got the impression from Merlins demeanor when Killian was speaking to either him or Emma that things were serious. When they first met Merlin in Granny’s a few episodes ago he was jovial until Killian addressed him directly and then the smile was wiped from his face. He was also staring intently at Emma and Hook while they were saying their goodbyes before the trek to find Prometheus’ flame. He may not have known the ways and whys of it but I think Merlin has known the outcome of Dark Killian all along.
November 16, 2015 at 5:55 pm #312677ellemo78ParticipantDoes anyone get the impression that Merlin may have known all along that Killian would turn dark? Merlins claim that he saw “bits and pieces” of future events along with his insistence to Emma not to pull the sword from the stone because of dire consequences sends a red flag. I also got the impression from Merlins demeanor when Killian was speaking to either him or Emma that things were serious. When they first met Merlin in Granny’s a few episodes ago he was jovial until Killian addressed him directly and then the smile was wiped from his face. He was also staring intently at Emma and Hook while they were saying their goodbyes before the trek to find Prometheus’ flame. He may not have known the ways and whys of it but I think Merlin has known the outcome of Dark Killian all along.
Now that we’ve seen Hook go dark, I agree, I think Merlin did know this future path. Do you think Hook may go after Arthur? Since he already wanted to rip his head off in the jail cell and now he knows it was Arthur’s pretty dodgy wielding of Excalibur that cut Hook in the first place.
also don’t believe he’s going to go all “dark one crazy” on Emma as the promo is leading us to believe. There’s more to the missing 3 weeks and all that talk about “love having to forgive anything” (or whatever the exact quote is) has to come back around.
I agree with you here too. He’s going to be pretty angry towards Emma, turning him into something he hates, and that he pleaded with her not to do it. But I don’t think that will last. His love will shine through eventually.
If one is to engage with the primordial forces of darkness, one must expect a little social awkwardness
November 17, 2015 at 3:27 am #312733PheeParticipantWe’ve been told and shown that the Darkness is like a parasite that causes the host to have actual symptoms.
Including not needing to sleep. If Hook’s a Dark One, he shouldn’t have been needing to sleep, so I guess he’s just not noticed that he’s awake 24/7 without getting sleepy ever?
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