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and then throws her out of the castle.
I always looked at that scene as Rumple letting her go and be free because he knew he was no good for her.
[adrotate group="5"]I’m sorry, but I just don’t see Rumpel through black and white goggles. Don’t get me wrong, he’s done A LOT of horribles things. hjbau just listed them on the previous page. I think what makes his story a little more complex and sympathetic is that he did love once. He loved his son, he loved Belle and we still don’t know why he decided to create the curse. He could have created it to rid himself of his own curse for all we know. He did tell Regina that the Dark Curse was “the curse to end all curses.” And of course, all of the fairytale characters that were enchanted in Fairytale land have return to their normal human selves. Well…all except Regina’s garden gnome and Rumpel’s creepy puppets. 😆
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I just don’t understand how Desperate Souls and Skin Deep counteract his evil. In Desperate Souls he burns down the count’s castle, kills the dark one, kills like five soldier guys, and pretty much makes his son afraid of him. In Skin Deep Rumpel kills Gaston because he is rude to him, takes Belle captive in exchange for saving her town from death by ogre, then when Bell tries to help him he freaks out, swears at her, grabs her, throws her in a dungeon and locks her up, and then throws her out of the castle. I guess at least he was upset about it after he treated Belle that way.
Oh and i forgot in the real world, he kidnapped Belle’s father and then nearly beat him to death with a cane.
Well, let’s look at some of these acts.
1. Rumpel killing Gaston- I don’t know if you remember, but when Gaston arrived at Rumpel’s castle, he was pointing his sword at Rumpel and made it quite clear that he there to kill him. You don’t point a sword at someone if you don’t mean to kill them. So, Rumpel killing Gaston is actually self defense. Gaston came looking for a fight, and he got one.
2. Rumpel killing the Dark One- First of all, HE’S THE DARK ONE!!! Killing the Dark One is like killing the Devil. I’m sorry, but I don’t see any wrong in that. 😆 And of course, Rumpel’s whole reasoning for seeking out the Dark One was so that he fcould orce him to summit under his command, not kill him. The Dark One made it quite clear that he wanted Rumpel to stab him. He was taunting Rumpel so that he would put him out of his misery.
3. Rumpel taking Belle prisoner- Once again, I don’t know if you remember, but Belle agreed to the exchange and offered herself up.
4. Mr. Gold beating Moe French- You’d beat a man to death too if you thought he tortured and drove the woman you loved into insanity and ultimately suicide. Oh yeah, and did I mention she was his daughter? Of course this was all a lie (gotta love Regina), but this is what Rumpel truly believed.
There are 2 sides to everything. Not everything is so black and white.
Oh, I wanted to post a reply, but An Empty Heart was quicker and managed to address most of the things I wanted spot on.
There is one thing I wanted to add. Rumple didn’t see the Dark One as a human being. To him it was an evil magical creature whose powers the duke used to terrorize the people of his land
( he was witness to it). Zoso convinced him to kill it and take over its powers and Rumple believed that he would be able to use them for good, to save his son and other children from the gruesome war. Was it really that bad to want to kill the Dark One? I mean, really?@mickey wrote:
Oh, I wanted to post a reply, but An Empty Heart was quicker and managed to address most of the things I wanted spot on.
There is one thing I wanted to add. Rumple didn’t see the Dark One as a human being. To him it was an evil magical creature whose powers the duke used to terrorize the people of his land
( he was witness to it). Zoso convinced him to kill it and take over its powers and Rumple believed that he would be able to use them for good, to save his son and other children from the gruesome war. Was it really that bad to want to kill the Dark One? I mean, really?You’re exactly right. The Dark One is a dark mystical being. Almost demonic. As An Empty Heart stated, the Dark One is the fairytale equivilent of the Devil. So, Rumpel killing him really doesn’t have any effect on how I view him.
He only became the Dark One to save his boy. He deserted the Ogre Wars like anyone one who was drafted to any war would. Who wants to be forced to go to war? He is evil but nevertheless because of his need to save his boy he felt aquiring power was the only way to do it. He was tricked by Zoso, the former Dark One to take his life and his place. He takes first borns because first borns go to war. Going on that theory if he takes all of FTL’s first borns no one will go to war for the ones seeking the first borns but go to Rumple and strike a deal for them.
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He only became the Dark One to save his boy. He deserted the Ogre Wars like anyone one who was drafted to any war would. Who wants to be forced to go to war? He is evil but nevertheless because of his need to save his boy he felt aquiring power was the only way to do it. He was tricked by Zoso, the former Dark One to take his life and his place. He takes first borns because first borns go to war. Going on that theory if he takes all of FTL’s first borns no one will go to war for the ones seeking the first borns but go to Rumple and strike a deal for them.
Exactly. I won’t pretend to know what being sent to war as a child feels like, but I’m pretty sure that it’s a terrifying experience. So, Rumpel running away from it doesn’t upset me one bit. And Zoso was clearly setting him up throughout the entire episode. The only thing Rumpel is guilty of is being a fool. A fool for placing his faith and trust in a stranger.
Yes. Does may theory of why he acquires first borns a plausible explaination. It is: he gets first born to deprive Kings, Lords or Generals fighting wars from getting the troops they need……if they really wanted the troops they will be forced to make a huge deal to get all of the first borns to enlist and fight in their arimies for whatever reason. It is a power thing for Rumple and it has always been a power thing because he knows better than any other character how it feels to be powerless. Being powerless to him means he is nothing and being power is having everything but unfortunately the cost is that he becomes evil.
@charming wrote:
He only became the Dark One to save his boy. He deserted the Ogre Wars like anyone one who was drafted to any war would. Who wants to be forced to go to war? He is evil but nevertheless because of his need to save his boy he felt aquiring power was the only way to do it. He was tricked by Zoso, the former Dark One to take his life and his place. He takes first borns because first borns go to war. Going on that theory if he takes all of FTL’s first borns no one will go to war for the ones seeking the first borns but go to Rumple and strike a deal for them.
I love this theory, but I’m not sure I can totally agree with it. I have only seen (please correct me if I’m wrong) 3 children exchanges (or attempts thereof): Charming’s twin brother, Henry and Cinderella/Ashley’s daughter.
Both Charming’s brother and Henry were obtained at the request of other people. Rumple didn’t just go out and demand them own his own. Charming’s brother was procured at the request of the king. As prince of the realm, he was most likely trained in battle at an early age. If there was a war, he would probably be in the front lines, leading his men into battle. Henry was procured at the request of Regina.
Cinderella’s child, on the other hand, he did demand own his own. There is, IMHO, two reasons for this. First has to do with how magic works. The higher someone’s demand, the higher the price. A balance must be maintained. Cinderella didn’t just want a night out on the town, she wanted freedom from her “wretched” life. So, he gave her the keys to the kingdom, so to speak. And I must admit, I feel little sympathy for her. If she’d actually read the contract, she’d have known the terms upfront. But, instead, she was too wrapped up in getting what she wanted right now, the easy way, that she didn’t bother to consider the repercussions.
You know, I just had a thought. I think that’s another reason why Rumple’s prices are so high. When people come to him, they are looking for an easy way out. They no longer want to deal or take responsibility for their own problems. So, if he’s going to make their problem just “go poof!” and disappear, then they’re going to have to pay for it.
Which leads me to another thought, if the prince fell in love with her because of a magical casting, is it really love? Perhaps that is another reason he asked for the child. He knows the child is born out of a lie and he doesn’t think Cinderella deserves to be a mother. Just a thought…
Anyway, back to my original theory. The second reason (is one that’s already been theorized) Rumple asked for the child is that he wanted to get captured, so that he could appear to be in a desperate state, so that he could make the fateful Dark Curse deal.
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Which leads me to another thought, if the prince fell in love with her because of a magical casting, is it really love? Perhaps that is another reason he asked for the child. He knows the child is born out of a lie and he doesn’t think Cinderella deserves to be a mother. Just a thought…
Both Rumpel and the Genie (Sidney) have both said that magic can do much, but not create love. Furthermore, Prince Thomas himself said that magic didn’t create the love between him and Cinderella. Thus, their love is real and the child a child born out of its parents love. Much like Emma, actually.
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