Mr. Gold/Rumpelstiltskin Character Analysis

[hjbau]

So you are agreeing with me then? I don’t get what you are saying. If Rumpel was mortally wounded then the kiss shouldn’t work or it seems contrived to me. That is what i was saying.

[an empty heart]

I could have sworn true love’s kiss could only break curses. Belle’s kiss almost broke Rumpel’s curse, and Charming’s kiss broke Snow’s sleeping curse.

[hjbau]

Right. So true love kiss does not bring someone back from the dead. At least so far in the show that has not been the case.

[charming]

@hjbau wrote:

So you are agreeing with me then? I don’t get what you are saying. If Rumpel was mortally wounded then the kiss shouldn’t work or it seems contrived to me. That is what i was saying.

It will change him back to human form but it is not going to bring him back from the dead. The only reason Charming is not dead was the curse was happening. He was not quite dead; hence him being comatose in SB. Daniel he was deader than a doornail nor was he cursed at all as was Graham dying as Emma was kissing him. Graham and Daniel are very similiar situations they both had death knocking on their doors. Magic and curses can’t kill people otherwise Snow White and Sleeping Beauty both will be dead. If you can curse someone to death why did not Maleficent nor Regina curse everyone in their way to death?? Magic and curses can’t make people fall in love otherwise Snow would not have gone through Angry Snow phase. Yes Rumple bottled hairs of Snow and Charming but all he said was he was bottling true love or love potion. He never said it could make someone fall in love with another. These are the rules they outlined and enacted as well as demonstrated.

[hjbau]

You still aren’t making any sense to me. You are agreeing with me, but acting like you are disagreeing with me in an angry way. And you are talking about a bunch of things that have nothing to do with the topic, so again thanks for your thoughts that is all i have to say about this.

[an empty heart]

But I’m not sure if true love’s kiss will break Mr. Gold’s curse in Storybrooke. Magic doesn’t exist in Storybrooke, so it may not work. But then again, Graham kissed Emma and he started to remember his past life, so who knows. Maybe Emma’s magic will make the effects of true love’s kiss more potent.

[ms. pixie]

Oh God! After 24 pages of caching up the discussion, I feel like I can take part on it.

First, I really think hjbau and charming are defending the same idea: a true love’s kiss can break any curse. death is not a curse, is just death, so a kiss won’t bring anyone back alive. 😉

Second, I know a lot of people really like Rumple – I get it, he is one of, if not the, most interesting characters of the show – but I think his human side is being way too much… cherished? (my English is good, but sometimes is just so difficult to find the proper word…)

Let me explain myself: yes, he is human after all. yes, he loves his son. yes, he fell for Belle, but I don’t think it justify all the damage.

As I see it, he became the Dark One to save his son from the war, but also, because it would give him power to shut up all those who called him weak and coward. I’m not denying his love or saying it wasn’t a good purpose, but at some point he even actually says that if his son is gone HE’ll have no one else. With Belle, when they kiss, he throws her away because he genuinely thinks she’s tricking him. Some people claim that he thought he wasn’t good enough for her and that’s why he couldn’t believe in their love, but I think it’s more than that, I think, yes, he still sees himself as a coward (after all he let his son go) but is, also, just too blind by his power to not suspect everyone. (by the way, for me, this power of his is, in the end, a easy way out of this coward thing – you don’t actually have to consider what’s right, honourable and etc., you blame the Dark force and just bully around)

Sooo… I agree with someone who said his redemption, if he’s to have one, is going to be about sacrifice, not just reunion ou standing by the “good” ones. 🙂

P.S.: for me, also, both him and Regina are evil for the same reason – revenge as they blame others for their misfortunes.

[vasalisa]

I agree. but Mr. Gold did attempt to overcome his fears. He gave August the dagger as sign of him finally giving up his power. He said “I chose power once, and now I’m choosing you.” So, Mr. Gold did finally overcome his cowaradice and lust for power. The dagger was his power, but he was willing to give it to his son.

^This. In that one moment, Mr. Gold finally chose his son over his power. The only problem is that Mr. Gold’s offering was all for nothing. August was fooling him, so we’re back at square one.

I don’t think it was all for nothing. Rumple/Mr Gold really is changing and evolving. It’s a good thing he lives forever, because sometimes he’s a slow learner [Some of us are …] Consider his appeal to the Bae imposter [August] as a practice run. I prefer to believe that the message will get through to Bae–Bae will feel a shift in the Force, wherever he is, alive or dead. He will know something has changed about their relationship. And he might even be drawn to meet/find his father because of this shift–if he can. Even if they can’t meet for real, this is a monumental shift for Rumple/Mr Gold. I’m so pleased that he’s finally taking some personal responsibility for his actions. He’s such a compelling and interesting character because of it … He’s on his way to redemption!

And don’t forget August–If he is Pinocchio, he had a rough history with his own Poppa, so this might have been a good experience for him, too. Especially if he’s facing his own mortality, and running out of time, looking for a reconciliation with his own father.

[Daniel J. Lewis]

Welcome to the forums, Ms. Pixie. 😀 Glad to have you here! And don’t worry, your English is beautiful. 😀

I agre with you that his human side tends to be “cherished” more than his evil side by his fans. But I think a lot of his fans (me included) do that because we want to see the good in him. We want to see him be redeemed because he NEEDS to be redeemed. You’re right, he’s done a lot of terribly evil things. But that is why I feel that he needs to prove himself and turn his life around in order to begin his redemption arc. So yes, as fans we do tend to only look at his human side. But it’s only because we want to see a glimmer of hope in him. and so far that glimmer has been Baelfire and Belle. The Blue Fairy said it best, Baelfire is that last glimmer of goodness in his heart. And that was proven to be true in last week’s episode.

And I also think that Mr. Gold was on the track of turning his life around in last week’s episode “The Return.” When he gave August the knife, he did as a sign that he was finally ready to give up his power and live a quiet life with his son. But when Mr. Gold figured out that August wasn’t his son, he reverted back to his old ways out of anger.

It’s only been one season and judging by the ratings, it will be one of many. So, we still have a lot of story to tell with his character. 😉

[hjbau]

Very good post Ms. Pixie. I agree with everything you said.

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