Mr. Gold/Rumpelstiltskin Character Analysis

[ms. pixie]

first of all, thanks for all the welcomes!

I think it’s fantastic that people have different opinions on every and each character! It shows that the writers are doing their job, building these “personas” in various levels, so each viewer connects with a different facet of the character!

hjbau, I understand what you mean. I don’t think it’s necessarely the case, but I’ll definetaly put some thinking on it. I guess, unconsciously we can be, sometimes, still a bit sexist, because of a number of reasons. Of course it’s all assumptions and all. I actually feel that I do the opposite. I tend to find easier to justify a woman’s mistake then a man’s, I guess because I feel that man always had the “it’s in our nature’ excuse. Of course it doesn’t apply for anyone or anything, but, you know, my first instinct is this, I’ve noticed. 😳

One last thing. I don’t think Rumple was evil before the curse. I think he was weak and lacked in honour, but not evil. The things that people posted here showing how not-evil he was, well, I guess it depends on your interpretation, for example, I understood that the Dark One chose Rumple, not because he was good and gave him money, but because he saw that he was desperate – and this is what they do, they recognise a desperate soul and offer them what they “need”, in exchange for something they want, in this case, his freedom.

[ms. pixie]

oh dear zeus, I have to learn to be more concise! (but I feel like I have so much to catch up!)

@Pandora’s Imp wrote:

I know I’m probably the only one, but I really don’t think he should be reunited with his son. All magic comes with a price. His was Bae and I think he has to pay it and learn from his mistake, not cheat it.

For me, Bae was the price he paid – Belle is his second chance.

Your not the only one! At least, not entirely… I mean, I don’t know if they should or not be reunited, but if they do, I wouldn’t expect it to be a ‘happily-ever-after’ encounter, but something that showed Rumple that ‘all magic comes with a price’, something that triggers his acknowledgement that his redemption depends on his ability to selflessness sacrifice something. You know what I mean?

I’ve seen a lot of people talking about the fact that this show is about happy endings, and I know they have even a close relationship with disney, but I hope they go for this more ancient (yet so modern) vision of tales, where they are more about educating then providing sweet dreams! 🙂

[an empty heart]

@Ms. Pixie wrote:

oh dear zeus, I have to learn to be more concise! (but I feel like I have so much to catch up!)

@Pandora’s Imp wrote:

I know I’m probably the only one, but I really don’t think he should be reunited with his son. All magic comes with a price. His was Bae and I think he has to pay it and learn from his mistake, not cheat it.

For me, Bae was the price he paid – Belle is his second chance.

Your not the only one! At least, not entirely… I mean, I don’t know if they should or not be reunited, but if they do, I wouldn’t expect it to be a ‘happily-ever-after’ encounter, but something that showed Rumple that ‘all magic comes with a price’, something that triggers his acknowledgement that his redemption depends on his ability to selflessness sacrifice something. You know what I mean?

I’ve seen a lot of people talking about the fact that this show is about happy endings, and I know they have even a close relationship with disney, but I hope they go for this more ancient (yet so modern) vision of tales, where they are more about educating then providing sweet dreams! 🙂

He already sacrificed something. Actually, two things. Belle and Baelfire. He stills believes them to be either dead or missing. And like others have said, Mr.Gold gave up his power to August. He was finally trying to chose the right path. Him giving up that much power for his son was a HUGE act of bravery. So, he’s already proven himself to be capable of bravery or selflessness in the new world.

[beauty the beast]

Mr. Gold giving the dagger to August was his act of bravery. Rumpel’s greatest flaws were his cowardice and his lust for power. In that one moment in the woods, he gave up both.

[Daniel J. Lewis]

@Beauty & the Beast wrote:

Mr. Gold giving the dagger to August was his act of bravery. Rumpel’s greatest flaws were his cowardice and his lust for power. In that one moment in the woods, he gave up both.

I agree. That was the point of the whole scene. We finally got to see Rumpel do what he should have done years ago. Sacrifice his power for his son. He’s shown that he’s capable of such sacrifice. He knows he’s done terribly evil things, but this was his way of correcting at the very least one of his mistakes.

[hjbau]

I didn’t say it had to do with attraction. It is just that i think it is more acceptable for a man to be this evil character whereas with Regina it is unacceptable for whatever reason. I think it is just unacceptable in both cases. I wasn’t saying that you guys are sexist about this and it got really personal after that. That wasn’t what i meant. I just meant that i think it is generally more acceptable for a male character to be the hard evil character then a female character. I was comparing the two characters and not saying that is what any of you in particular think about the character.

I don’t think that Rumpel was born evil. I just think that what we have seen of him is evil. We definitely are talking in circles because it seems like some of the posters here think that he is doing it for his son is a good enough justification for what he has done and i don’t.

Well my post was taken way too personally and i took yours too personally so we have all been insulted most thoroughly and maybe can just move on from it.

[ms. pixie]

I can really understand An Empty Heart, *The Looking Glass* and Beauty & the Beast‘s point of view. I think you might be right that giving August the knife was a sign of bravery and that he’s willing to lose his power. But I’m afraid I don’t share that point of view.

Like Pandora’s Imp, I think the scene in the woods showed he learned something, indeed, but I didn’t feel he got everything. =] As I see it, he was truly willing to make things right with Bae. But only Bae. It seems to me that, although he understood he was the responsible for his action of letting Bae go, he doesn’t regret all the damage he has caused on everyone else in his quest to find his son (or even before that, when he would kill anyone who crossed his son’s path). (there’s also the fact that in SB he don’t exactly have his powers, so he wasn’t really giving it up…)

Also, I don’t see how losing Bae and Belle were sacrifices. I mean, they WERE sacrifices, but ones he made in order to keep his power. The sacrifice we think that may be his redemption, is a choice he’ll have to make, putting someone else above himself. Like when Charming jumped in front of Snow’s arrow. He wasn’t thinking about his well being. He was saving Snow from a terrible destiny and it didn’t matter if he was going to die – she was the one to be saved.

[midnight dreary]

@hjbau wrote:

I didn’t say it had to do with attraction. It is just that i think it is more acceptable for a man to be this evil character whereas with Regina it is unacceptable for whatever reason. I think it is just unacceptable in both cases. I wasn’t saying that you guys are sexist about this and it got really personal after that. That wasn’t what i meant. I just meant that i think it is generally more acceptable for a male character to be the hard evil character then a female character. I was comparing the two characters and not saying that is what any of you in particular think about the character.

I don’t think that Rumpel was born evil. I just think that what we have seen of him is evil. We definitely are talking in circles because it seems like some of the posters here think that he is doing it for his son is a good enough justification for what he has done and i don’t.

Well my post was taken way too personally and i took yours too personally so we have all been insulted most thoroughly and maybe can just move on from it.

*Takes Deep Breathe* I apologize too. Let’s just slowly back away from this particular topic. 😉

Ms. Pixie, I understand what you’re saying, I just simply disagree. 😉

[Daniel J. Lewis]

@hjbau wrote:

I didn’t say it had to do with attraction. It is just that i think it is more acceptable for a man to be this evil character whereas with Regina it is unacceptable for whatever reason. I think it is just unacceptable in both cases. I wasn’t saying that you guys are sexist about this and it got really personal after that. That wasn’t what i meant. I just meant that i think it is generally more acceptable for a male character to be the hard evil character then a female character. I was comparing the two characters and not saying that is what any of you in particular think about the character.

I don’t think that Rumpel was born evil. I just think that what we have seen of him is evil. We definitely are talking in circles because it seems like some of the posters here think that he is doing it for his son is a good enough justification for what he has done and i don’t.

Well my post was taken way too personally and i took yours too personally so we have all been insulted most thoroughly and maybe can just move on from it.

No worries, no harm done. I get what you’re saying, but we’ll just have to agree to disagree on this one. 😉

*Looks Around* Now what do we talk about? 😆

[ms. pixie]

@Midnight Dreary wrote:

Ms. Pixie, I understand what you’re saying, I just simply disagree. 😉

Perfect! =]
Let’s admit it: if we all had the same opinions it would be a very boring forum!

Sooo, let me bring another thing to the discussion:
I love Rumple’s character mostly because he seems to be ahead of everyone, or behind everything… whenever I’m really into the story, cheering for Emma to find out something, or happy ’cause something that I wanted to happen, happens, I always have this feeling that Rumple will show up and reveal he was behind it all along. So, it gives me this perpetual doubt about everyone else, if they are really getting somewhere, or if they’re just being puppets (and if I am being fooled, lead to believe on the motion of things!)

So, I can’t decide if Rumple is:

1. the master of the game – he planned everything and is always playing people to get where/what he wants, and so, is even more powerful then we know.

2. just always ahead, since he lived trough so many years and have the magic, he just understand how people work and is extremely good at seeing where things are going to.

3. can actually predict the future.

what do you guys think???

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