Mr. Gold/Rumpelstiltskin Character Analysis

[lilred]

TimeSpacer, I really do like the idea of Rumple writing the book. He seems to be linked to all the stories. The scene in the Price of Gold, where he tells Cinderella ‘every story needs a memorable detail!’ keeps coming to mind, because HE was always the person to add that detail – he definitely was working as an ‘author’ in these different fairytales. Knowing that Rumple could see the future to some extent (there’s probably some limitations) could explain why he made the book prior to the curse, knowing that the savior would have a son who would need it, read it, and bring his mother to town. (Limitation possiblility: doesn’t see that his son is the father of the savior’s kid???) If Rumple made the book prior to the curse, I still wonder how it ended up at Mary Margaret’s…I’ve wondered if Rumple was behind Snow having her engagement ring in Storybrooke, so he could of planted the book with her things also.

As if the Charmings, Regina, and Rumple didn’t already have enough reason to hate each other, the feud for Henry could be pretty intense. I wonder if Baelfire would even side with his father if Henry was his son or if it would be a four way battle: Charming/Snow/Emma vs. Regina vs. Rumple vs. Baelfire…with a separate Bae vs. Emma throughout. 😈

AntBee, I guess I feel like Baelfire would have put his father’s story in the book (call it bitterness or a warning to Henry about what his father is capable of since Bae (if he knows about the curse/Storybrooke) doesn’t know it’s to find him/his papa’s messed up form of apology..). Until a possible plot twist next season, I’m with you that the Blue Fairy seemed to have been ‘awaken’ in the last episode.

I do think it’d be an interesting twist if Baelfire has been working behind the scenes (like papa, like son and possible grandson) last season. Again, I’m buying that the BF didn’t have her memory so who else is aware of Rumple’s beginnings: the dagger and a son? No one who could still possibly be alive besides Bae. Really do think Bae is August’s ‘little fairy’! If Baelfire and August did meet up in their travels, trust each other to admit their from EF (or maybe fairytale characters are just drawn to their own?), then Bae could have very well have made the book with August explaining the stories (a kid hanging out in a palace had to have heard most of these tales!) August knew enough about the book to find it and add his story: how did he know about the book in the first place? Or gain the equipment for book-making?
IDK, but it'd be interesting if Henry finds a new story in his book about passing through a green vortex and landing in a world of skyscrapers. 😀

[antbee]

@Lil’Red wrote:

TimeSpacer, I really do like the idea of Rumple writing the book. He seems to be linked to all the stories. The scene in the Price of Gold, where he tells Cinderella ‘every story needs a memorable detail!’ keeps coming to mind, because HE was always the person to add that detail – he definitely was working as an ‘author’ in these different fairytales. Knowing that Rumple could see the future to some extent (there’s probably some limitations) could explain why he made the book prior to the curse, knowing that the savior would have a son who would need it, read it, and bring his mother to town. (Limitation possiblility: doesn’t see that his son is the father of the savior’s kid???) If Rumple made the book prior to the curse, I still wonder how it ended up at Mary Margaret’s…I’ve wondered if Rumple was behind Snow having her engagement ring in Storybrooke, so he could of planted the book with her things also.

Before I knew he didn’t regain his memories back until Emma told him her name, I thought for sure it was him. I guess it’s possible that he made it and did something to ensure that it would end up in Snow Whte’s possession before the Curse was activated like how he made her ring a locator for Charming to find Snow White, but I’m still unsure about him being psychic. It certainly seemed that way in the pilot, but details do change from that. I agree that it doesn’t quite make sense though if Bae is Henry’s father why Rumple would see Emma and Henry and not know Bae’s is the father. I think he’s just very good at predicting human behavior which makes it seem like he’s psychic.

As if the Charmings, Regina, and Rumple didn’t already have enough reason to hate each other, the feud for Henry could be pretty intense. I wonder if Baelfire would even side with his father if Henry was his son or if it would be a four way battle: Charming/Snow/Emma vs. Regina vs. Rumple vs. Baelfire…with a separate Bae vs. Emma throughout. 😈

Oh poor Henry! I would hope that Bae wouldn’t do that to his son because my head canon currently is that the few memories he has of his mom is of her fighting a lot with Rumple, and Bae always felt it was his fault that they were both miserable. So I would hope that while probably being angry at Emma for awhile for keeping the news from him, they would both be able to act like adults instead of him joining the fight for Henry too. Plus, I hope he’s a “good” character despite whatever he might have done that while probably not being too well liked by the Charmings at least at first, would join their side in the battle, especially over his father’s side and definitely over Regina’s side.

AntBee, I guess I feel like Baelfire would have put his father’s story in the book (call it bitterness or a warning to Henry about what his father is capable of since Bae (if he knows about the curse/Storybrooke) doesn’t know it’s to find him/his papa’s messed up form of apology..).

That’s a good point that to get back at his father or even to let his own son know about how his grandfather can be, you would think he would want everyone to know Rumple’s story, but I guess my thinking is that Baelfire wants to keep his story a secret more than he wants to expose his father.

Until a possible plot twist next season, I’m with you that the Blue Fairy seemed to have been ‘awaken’ in the last episode.

The Blue Fairy made a lot of sense as the author too, but at this point I think it’s sort of a cheat if we find out now that she had her memories back all along since there hasn’t really been any hints in season 1 aside from her meeting with August which I think was more of a misdirect than a reveal that she knew. (Although one of the administrators at Once Upon a Time’s Wiki disagrees with my idea because he/she swears that with close captioning on and the volume way up, Mother Superior tells August, “I can’t do anything with this body.” I still don’t believe it because surely everyone in fandom would have heard and seen this happen. Also, from the recent interview with Keegan Connor Tracy, I didn’t get any impression that the Blue Fairy knew all along. Sadly, I also didn't get the impression that the Blue Fairy has any hidden agenda either.

I do think it’d be an interesting twist if Baelfire has been working behind the scenes (like papa, like son and possible grandson) last season. Again, I’m buying that the BF didn’t have her memory so who else is aware of Rumple’s beginnings: the dagger and a son? No one who could still possibly be alive besides Bae. Really do think Bae is August’s ‘little fairy’! If Baelfire and August did meet up in their travels, trust each other to admit their from EF (or maybe fairytale characters are just drawn to their own?), then Bae could have very well have made the book with August explaining the stories (a kid hanging out in a palace had to have heard most of these tales!) August knew enough about the book to find it and add his story: how did he know about the book in the first place? Or gain the equipment for book-making?
IDK, but it'd be interesting if Henry finds a new story in his book about passing through a green vortex and landing in a world of skyscrapers. 😀

Yes, I think August knows about the book from Bae or working together with him on making it unless it’s a plot hole that they never explain which could sadly be true too.

[lilred]

I agree that it doesn’t quite make sense though if Bae is Henry’s father why Rumple would see Emma and Henry and not know Bae’s is the father. I think he’s just very good at predicting human behavior which makes it seem like he’s psychic.

I do think it’d be cool to have such a powerfully magical man, rumored to see the future – just be very good at reading people.
If he does have some type of power allowing him to see the future, maybe he does know? Maybe he saw Emma/Baelfire having a future pre-curse; could explain part of his obsession/excitement? at learning her name? Since Rumple stated the power of knowing JUST a name before, maybe that helps him excess a person’s future; by knowing their name?

My first watch of Price of Gold, I was fascinated by the scene where Henry enters the apartment after Gold hired Emma. Gold’s demeanor, voice, stance changes when Henry enters. At first, I was very confused by this. Then, after Desperate Soul, just assumed he acted that way remembering his son. (A lot of ‘IF’S coming, skip if you’re already annoyed). If Baelfire is Henry father, if Rumple had known about this pre-curse, this would have been the first scene between Henry and Gold after he remembers; also remembering that he had given his only grandchild to be raised by Regina.

I’m not saying I’m completely sold on Rumple having this much awareness, but if they told us so later in the series, I could see it work with this scene and others; there’d be other things the series could do that seem more ‘pulled out of thin air’.

Mother Superior tells August, “I can’t do anything with this body.”

I’ve read this too somewhere, but don’t hear it at all!

[dorothy]

@Lil’Red wrote:

My first watch of Price of Gold, I was fascinated by the scene where Henry enters the apartment after Gold hired Emma. Gold’s demeanor, voice, stance changes when Henry enters. At first, I was very confused by this. Then, after Desperate Soul, just assumed he acted that way remembering his son.

I always read that scene as Gold thinking to himself “Oh crap it’s the kid! Smile and be nice!” 😮

[PriceofMagic]

Rumple knew Henry was the saviour’s son and seeing as he intended for the curse to be broken, he knew it would be in his better interests to be nice to Henry.

All magic comes with a price!

Keeper of Felix

[timespacer]

@Lil’Red wrote:

TimeSpacer, I really do like the idea of Rumple writing the book. He seems to be linked to all the stories. The scene in the Price of Gold, where he tells Cinderella ‘every story needs a memorable detail!’ keeps coming to mind, because HE was always the person to add that detail – he definitely was working as an ‘author’ in these different fairytales. Knowing that Rumple could see the future to some extent (there’s probably some limitations) could explain why he made the book prior to the curse, knowing that the savior would have a son who would need it, read it, and bring his mother to town. (Limitation possiblility: doesn’t see that his son is the father of the savior’s kid???) If Rumple made the book prior to the curse, I still wonder how it ended up at Mary Margaret’s…I’ve wondered if Rumple was behind Snow having her engagement ring in Storybrooke, so he could of planted the book with her things also.

Good idea, Li’l Red! I had forgotten about Rumple’s “memorable detail” line but it certainly fits. I gather the writers have confirmed that Rumple got his memory back when he met Emma (I tended to assume he had it all along and just made Regina think his memory would be erased but it works either way). If he wired into the curse a “back door” that would restore his memory when he met Emma, he could also have wired in a subconscious idea in himself that would get him to suggest to Regina that she adopt a child (knowing she would still have the “emptiness inside” from enacting the curse) and provided something that would cause him to seek out Emma for that project. Of course, that would require him to know enough about the future to know that Emma would have a child. I have an alternative I’ll post later…

[lilred]

Really thought Rumple and the Blue Fairy had their memories for most of the first season: knowing now that they didn’t leaves so many questions…How did he manage to track baby-Henry in Phoenix? Why a baby states away when there had to have been available babies in New England? Who brought him to Maine if Rumple couldn’t leave?

I assumed, when I thought he remembered all along, that Rumple had PIs tracking Emma and sending him info. for 28 years: so he knew about Henry and where she was.

I think I read somewhere that we’ll be seeing more of Emma’s past next season, so maybe some of these questions could be answered..Intrigued: what’s the alternative???

PriceofMagic: I’m getting to the point where I’m probably just seeing what I want to see..

[antbee]

@Lil’Red wrote:

Really thought Rumple and the Blue Fairy had their memories for most of the first season: knowing now that they didn’t leaves so many questions…How did he manage to track baby-Henry in Phoenix? Why a baby states away when there had to have been available babies in New England? Who brought him to Maine if Rumple couldn’t leave?

I assumed, when I thought he remembered all along, that Rumple had PIs tracking Emma and sending him info. for 28 years: so he knew about Henry and where she was.[

I think I read somewhere that we’ll be seeing more of Emma’s past next season, so maybe some of these questions could be answered..Intrigued: what’s the alternative???

PriceofMagic: I’m getting to the point where I’m probably just seeing what I want to see..

I really thought that Rumple had his memories all along. Even the first time, the writers came out and said he didn’t, I was like there’s no way because who else could have orchestrated everything from getting Henry for Regina to writing the book and making sure it would end up with Henry if he didn’t know from the very beginning. Then, they said it again, so I finally accepted it. Other than trying to figure out those big questions, I guess on some level it makes sense because Rumple might have been pushed over the edge if he had to live with his memories of Bae for 28 years but not be able to go seek him out in our world. Plus, by keeping those memories hidden, at least for now Regina doesn’t know anything about Bae; although, I get super pissed at Rumple when he does things like challenges Regina about the real reason he made the Curse, because that’s only going to put Bae in more danger when he shows up, not that he wouldn’t be anyways, but no need to put him any more danger I say. (To be fair, that was before Rumple knew that Regina had Belle locked up, so maybe he’ll realize he needs to be a bit more careful around her now.)

As for who brought baby Henry, I still have no clue if Rumple and the Blue Fairy are both ruled out. The only explanation that I can think of is that the Curse did it because Henry was the only baby that could be brought to Storybrooke since his parents are both from the Enchanted Forest. I’m still under the impression that regular people couldn’t just enter Storybrooke, so I have no idea even if Rumple had looked for a baby and found out through making phone calls or what not that there was a baby available, how Henry could have even been brought inside Storybrooke if non-magical people couldn’t enter. Maybe it will be a plot hole that won’t be explained because I really hate the idea that Bae would do something like that especially if he’s Henry’s father.

[anne_anli]

Hi guys,

Ok so I am quite new to the forums and this might have been covered in the pages and pages of Rumple analysis, but I thought this was quite a nice little details that was added to the Rumple character in OUaT. I just finished reading the original story and when the servant found Rumplestilskin dancing around the fire it says that Rumple was hopping around on one leg. It made me think of mr. Gold walking around with a cane.
Just a nice little detail I think.

Annemarie

[marilou]

I wanna be the person whose job is to sprinkle glitter on Robert Carlyle when he is dressed as Rumplestiltskin… Because it sounds like the silliest job description ever.

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