Mr. Gold/Rumpelstiltskin Character Analysis

[PriceofMagic]

A thought occured to me about the ogre war that Rumple fought in. Hordor said in Desperate Souls that the battle was lost because Rumple ran. What if that wasn’t the case? What if Rumple ran because the battle was already lost?

[Grimmsister]

Wasn’t that back when Rumple didn’t have any powers, when he was just a regular man ? because then how would him running from battle mean that they would loose the war ? I can understand it if many men ran, but not if it was just Rumple…. But honestly I don’t remember clearly enough to have much intelligent too say about this, shutting up- 😐

My question is. Why does mr. Gold not turn more Rumplestiltzkin like now that magic is in Storybrook ? Why does his skin not turn gold/green, why don’t he go insane or you know.. become influenced by the magic of the curse in the dagger ???

[frumpybutsupersmart]

Maybe magic works so differently in this world that he’s not physically changing back. Also, he’s actively trying not to go back to being that person because of Belle’s influence.

[PriceofMagic]

@medchen wrote:

Wasn’t that back when Rumple didn’t have any powers, when he was just a regular man ? because then how would him running from battle mean that they would loose the war ? I can understand it if many men ran, but not if it was just Rumple

I think the powers that were used Rumple as a scapegoat. I think the rest of Rumple’s platoon died and because he was they only survivor, the powers that were blamed him for losing the battle. That way they could keep recruiting people to fight in the war against the ogres and just say that the reason why Rumple’s platoon were all killed was because Rumple ran away.

I don’t think Rumple was a coward his whole life, he went to fight in the war and he boarded a ship full of pirates to try and get Milah back, he had a moment of weakness where self preservation kicks in and he ran for his life whereas everybody else were killed by the ogres. He believes himself a coward because everybody calls him one and treats him as such and after a while he probably believed it to be true. However, it’s not like he point blank refused to go to war, he did go. He probably ran because his side were losing and there was no advantage to be gained in staying and being killed.

I wonder if Milah was actually aware of the horrors Rumple faced in the ogre wars or did she not think it was that big a deal because she was such a bitch to Rumple. He came home probably looking for a bit of consolation and support and she basically tells him she’d wished he’d died.

My question is. Why does mr. Gold not turn more Rumplestiltzkin like now that magic is in Storybrook ? Why does his skin not turn gold/green, why don’t he go insane or you know.. become influenced by the magic of the curse in the dagger ???

Rumple went insane because he was denied human contact according to one of the sneak peeks. He was left alone with only his thoughts and regrets for company. He was probably tortured by his actions of letting Bae go and believing Belle to be dead because he kicked her out. No wonder he went crazy.

I’ve said in another thread that perhaps it’s just a matter of time before people start turning back into their fairytale forms. I think it’ll be a gradual process such as Rumple starts walking without a limp. Also if outsiders are starting to come to Storybrooke, it’ll be a lot harder to conceal the nature of the town if you have a talking cricket, fairies and Rumple looking like his old self running around town.

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[midnight dreary]

@medchen wrote:

Wasn’t that back when Rumple didn’t have any powers, when he was just a regular man ? because then how would him running from battle mean that they would loose the war ? I can understand it if many men ran, but not if it was just Rumple…. But honestly I don’t remember clearly enough to have much intelligent too say about this, shutting up- 😐

My question is. Why does mr. Gold not turn more Rumplestiltzkin like now that magic is in Storybrook ? Why does his skin not turn gold/green, why don’t he go insane or you know.. become influenced by the magic of the curse in the dagger ???

Mr. Gold, Regina and even the writers and producers have stated that magic works differently in this world. That’s why kissing Belle didn’t effect Rumpel. It also explains why Archie isn’t a cricket. You’d think that after the curse was broken, he’d return to his cricket form, but he hasn’t. The same goes for the Blue Fairy. She’s still in the body of a regular human being. She hasn’t sprouted wings or shrunk at all. Magic is very different in this world.

[gigi]

I think at some point (I hope) they will be expose and full mode on their old self again, just for a brief moment maybe, that would be nice :3

[Grimmsister]

@Midnight Dreary wrote:

Mr. Gold, Regina and even the writers and producers have stated that magic works differently in this world. That’s why kissing Belle didn’t effect Rumpel. It also explains why Archie isn’t a cricket. You’d think that after the curse was broken, he’d return to his cricket form, but he hasn’t. The same goes for the Blue Fairy. She’s still in the body of a regular human being. She hasn’t sprouted wings or shrunk at all. Magic is very different in this world.

I’s funny that it’s mostly the strongest types of magic that isn’t working well in this world. Sure you can make cupcakes fom nothing and make treebranches sprout up in the air but if you’re cursed too be the Dark One, wich is probably one of the strongest curses, then that doesn’t have an effect in this world…
It actually does make i bit of ‘reversed’ sence… come to think of it…… x’usez moi !!

[marilou]

@medchen wrote:

I’s funny that it’s mostly the strongest types of magic that isn’t working well in this world. Sure you can make cupcakes fom nothing and make treebranches sprout up in the air but if you’re cursed too be the Dark One, wich is probably one of the strongest curses, then that doesn’t have an effect in this world…
It actually does make i bit of ‘reversed’ sence… come to think of it…… x’usez moi !!

I don’t have much to add to this post… It would appear that you are right. I was just compelled to quote you because of the joual you added in the end… 😀

[playarita]

@PriceofMagic wrote:

I think the powers that were used Rumple as a scapegoat. I think the rest of Rumple’s platoon died and because he was they only survivor, the powers that were blamed him for losing the battle. That way they could keep recruiting people to fight in the war against the ogres and just say that the reason why Rumple’s platoon were all killed was because Rumple ran away.

I don’t think Rumple was a coward his whole life, he went to fight in the war and he boarded a ship full of pirates to try and get Milah back, he had a moment of weakness where self preservation kicks in and he ran for his life whereas everybody else were killed by the ogres. He believes himself a coward because everybody calls him one and treats him as such and after a while he probably believed it to be true. However, it’s not like he point blank refused to go to war, he did go. He probably ran because his side were losing and there was no advantage to be gained in staying and being killed.

I wonder if Milah was actually aware of the horrors Rumple faced in the ogre wars or did she not think it was that big a deal because she was such a *(please avoid obscenities)* to Rumple. He came home probably looking for a bit of consolation and support and she basically tells him she’d wished he’d died.

My question is. Why does mr. Gold not turn more Rumplestiltzkin like now that magic is in Storybrook ? Why does his skin not turn gold/green, why don’t he go insane or you know.. become influenced by the magic of the curse in the dagger ???

Rumple went insane because he was denied human contact according to one of the sneak peeks. He was left alone with only his thoughts and regrets for company. He was probably tortured by his actions of letting Bae go and believing Belle to be dead because he kicked her out. No wonder he went crazy.

I’ve said in another thread that perhaps it’s just a matter of time before people start turning back into their fairytale forms. I think it’ll be a gradual process such as Rumple starts walking without a limp. Also if outsiders are starting to come to Storybrooke, it’ll be a lot harder to conceal the nature of the town if you have a talking cricket, fairies and Rumple looking like his old self running around town.

I really like a lot of your points in this post. There is something that has been on my mind for a while. With Rumple being a part of the platoon what would have his role been? Because I keep wondering if Rumple was assigned to being a medic or a scout due to his limp. If that is the case then it would be reasonable if he was going to run away because his role is much rarer then a basic soldier.

But I almost feel as if his being called a coward is much more layered. I think the Powers labeled him as a coward to make a pariah among his town and those he crossed paths with. The ostracism and hardship he faced I believe could be a very clear message for those others who wanted to desert the war (though I always wonder if it were those who were “cowards” or those who might have seen the war for it was).

I keep wondering what the other message was as well. Perhaps it was a way of telling those like him (those who might be differently abled, have strengths that were not considered “masculine” etc) that in that time that being different was going to have them face hardships.

I say this because I am going to believe that the women in the war were the medics, seamstresses, cooks, scouts etc and then we have Rumple. Then there is the fact that he was a wool spinner at him which in medieval times was a job mostly done by women and children. This could have been a direct message of “conform to the ideals” of men and women (even if not explicitly expressed they were still there).

I never thought coward was an apt way to describe Rumple. It seemed too simple to call him a coward with the insult coming from the perception of the medieval times. Aside from being the only survivor from his platoon (and because of that how can anyone know for sure what happened) nothing he has done as seemed outright cowardice. Perhaps fearful but not cowardice.

I agree about Rumple and Hook. Rumple went on board the ship with pirates who all have swords. Hook wanted to fight but at that point he did it because he knew he would win and he was essentially a bully. It took courage to go on that ship. I believe it took intelligence to weigh out the situation (Rumple with a limp versus Hook and more than likely joined by some of his men because that is usually what happens) and decided that his life was more
important than his wife’s.

When he did not join Bae I do think it was some cowardice but a lot of fear. Which is understandable considering all the hardships he faced for not being the male archetype (occupation, role in the platoon, physical limitation) and what would then happen if he was stripped of his power, had the same physical limitation and faced with the same environment…

And the thing is depending on how time works in FTL in comparison to ours… for sake of simplicity if time moved at the same rate (and Robert Carlyle said in an interview Rumple was 300 years old) then they would have landed in 1700s here… and probably would have faced the same hardships (being ostracized etc).

Aside from that he has done a lot of evil things but I do believe that his hope of reuniting with Bae, loving Belle gives him enough humanity (even if a little) that makes it so that he is not wholly consumed by the darkness… even if he is more dark then good then maybe he becomes a bit more good then evil

[a chipped cup]

Question! Who do you guys think is more powerful? Rumpel or Cora? Rumpel did teach Cora everything she knows, but I can’t help but worry. In “Into the Deep,” Mr. Gold seemed a little too confident in his abilities and Regina questioned his powers as well. Cora seems pretty confident in her abaility to take over Storybrooke, however, as we learned in “Queen of Hearts,” Regina thinks that Rumpel won’t have his powers once they reach Storybrooke. So, it’s only reasonable to assume that Cora thinks the same thing. Cora is probably expecting a powerless Rumpel when she arrives in Storybrooke. So, Rumpel has the element of surpise on his side.

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