Mr. Gold/Rumpelstiltskin Character Analysis

[marilou]

@Beauty & the Beast wrote:

@MagicKingdomღ wrote:

@Beauty & the Beast wrote:

I wonder if we’ll ever see another Dark One on the show? Either past or present? I’d prefer to see the ones from the past. If we were to get a new Dark One, that would mean that Rumpel was killed…and…I just…*Wipes Tears from Eye* 😥

I’m anxious to learn more about Zoso. I mean…the man was suicdal for God’s sake. 😯 I hope that isn’t foreshadowing for what will happen to Rumpel’s character.

Possibly. But I’m not exactly sure how that would play out. Killing Rumpel would kill a large portion of the plot, so that’s not an option. But I am interested in exploring the mythology behind the Dark One. Who was the original Dark One? Why can’t he be truly destroyed?

I hate to burst your bubble guys but I have my doubts that it’s gonna happen. The show already has a large mythology going on and we don’t want another LOST- type disaster would we? (people kept asking about the island before the crash and when the writers finally gave that story to the viewer it only raised more questions and frustration for everyone involved.) it’s a vicious circle.

[magickingdom]

^So true. Some things are better left alone. It’s just…it’s just…I need to know more!

[the fairest]

Good point. Not all mysteries can be solved. That’s what made the final season of LOST such a letdown for me. All that build up and them…meh.

Sorry to get off topic.

[eileanache0]

Hello
I have some questions about Stiltskin and the fact that he is known to be a coward/craven :

1- He fled during the war. Is that corwardly or braveous ?
Well… In the past, woman without husband had problems to fleed their children.
Children about 14 had to make the war too : without his father, Bae had no chance to survive more than 14.
Every people tell this : they cannot win. The only thing he has to do was to death breavely.
Well, do you think that he was the coward or the most intelligent ?
As for me I think he acts with more intelect than cowardly.

More : after he did not left the village, even thought he was despised by all. Is this cowardly or foolish bravery ?

2- He did not try to use his child as leverage with his wife. Is that not courageous, knowing that he went to seek her knowing her reply ? (“He is no one, it’s my husband” – I think it was not the first “love word” she said him before all the others)
[He is surprised when he sees Bae in the tavern and tell him that he had to stay outside)

3- He tried to flee with his child just before his 14 – because he found no other means to save him.
A coward would have flee some years ago – more : knowing he has no more his woman at home, thus just his son. Is that not true ?

4- He is weak, yes, but it’s physical weakness : and if we take the example of Hook, when this capitaine has the courage to ask the weak-man for a duel, who is the coward ? The weak-man that went on the boat, even knowing he cannot fight ? Or the handsome-strong man that is sure to win ? And what is more, who do not fears to kill the (husband and mainly) father* of the son of the woman he loves and take with him ?
Is this not bravery, trying even when there is no hope?
(*and thus the only person who will take care of her boy)

5- To save his children, he has only a “little” thing to do – something that seems impossible to succeed.
But he decides to make it. He use what he has, what he knows, he works together with his son.
The previous “dark one” is a true evil – or a true desesperate soul – as in exchange of the money-gift that makes him a man almost as poor as himself (disguised as a beggar), he offers a curse.
Did the previous dark-one choose Rample, as he can feel his despair ? (For me, the biggest flaw of Rample is to see him only through the eyes of others)
Thus, did Rample has fallen into the same trap that he later tend to his deal-partners ?
Don’t know. But the more important here, speaking about bravery, is that he has the courage to find the dague and the courage to kill the previous dark-one. I would not have this courage.
Even if the previous dark-one could not fight Rample (as he has the dague), take someone’s life is something.

And well, why the king did not ask the previous dark-one, instead of helping to enlist childs as soldiers, to win the war ? He could, as it’s the firts thing that Rampling-dark-one makes.
I have the reply : to let us have the pleasure to watch this new great work of R.C.

[tiara_rose]

Eilean, I think you are so right. As a human I always believe he was never a coward. To run from war, when you are already hurt or there is no chance to win, then is running away not cowardly. It shows only that his brain is not damaged. He got to pirate ship to save his wife and his wife is not really nice, but he tried to safe her. He couldn’t fight, there were no chance that he would win and his son would be all alone.
When it comes to Bae as a human he was never a coward in my eyes. (He burns a castle to get to control a Monster for his sons life. I want such a courage dad.)
The first time he really is a coward when he became the Dark One. Maybe because after so many years hearing that you are coward, that on some point he believed it himself. He is so afraid to lose magic, maybe that is a part of the curse of the Dark One. It stuck on your fears to grow stronger and Rumples fear is he don’t want to feel again, that his only choice is in which corner you can hide, to feel powerless and things happens without any control. So he lost his son, because after the curse of Dark One he become a real coward. He didn’t follow Bae, he do the same with Hook (a sword fight, that is a dead sentence), he couldn’t say a word to Milha, that Bae he leave Bae too (Maybe he took her heart out of the chest, because he was not able to tell the truth and he was not capable to rip out his own heart. Because if he told Milha the story she would give him the bean or get Bae by herself to make sure he is OK). He was afraid of loving Belle, not only in the fairy tale land, where her love would mean that he would not able to find Bae again, but also after the Curse, when he twisted words only, because he was a coward to tell the truth to Belle, about his ultimate reason of living. Until now Rumple didn’t say a word about the death of his first wife.

I think that Hook will tell her, when he sees her in Storybrooke and I can only hope that this won’t my last goodbye wave to Rumbelle.

In Storybrooke he held Smee captive to be 1 step ahead of Hook, altough he is the most powerful person in this world. That is something a coward would do. He bring magic back, cause he is coward. He steal the diamonds to create a curse that no one should survive. (By that reason I am not quite sure, because I think it was maybe the plan that Regina would try something like that. There are no reason why Rumple needed her at all. I think maybe he want that she try to stop the curse. If she would die, he has his revenge for Belle and if she succeed. He could see what will happen, when he tries to redeem himself to Bae. If she do nothing he would propably kill Cora. So it was always a win situation for him).

So for me it is this way: Human Rumple: not a coward
The Dark One Rumple: Most of the time a coward

Heros don't get their Happy Ending!

[magickingdom]

@EileanAChe0 wrote:

Hello
I have some questions about Stiltskin and the fact that he is known to be a coward/craven :

1- He fled during the war. Is that corwardly or braveous ?
Well… In the past, woman without husband had problems to fleed their children.
Children about 14 had to make the war too : without his father, Bae had no chance to survive more than 14.
Every people tell this : they cannot win. The only thing he has to do was to death breavely.
Well, do you think that he was the coward or the most intelligent ?
As for me I think he acts with more intelect than cowardly.

More : after he did not left the village, even thought he was despised by all. Is this cowardly or foolish bravery ?

2- He did not try to use his child as leverage with his wife. Is that not courageous, knowing that he went to seek her knowing her reply ? (“He is no one, it’s my husband” – I think it was not the first “love word” she said him before all the others)
[He is surprised when he sees Bae in the tavern and tell him that he had to stay outside)

3- He tried to flee with his child just before his 14 – because he found no other means to save him.
A coward would have flee some years ago – more : knowing he has no more his woman at home, thus just his son. Is that not true ?

4- He is weak, yes, but it’s physical weakness : and if we take the example of Hook, when this capitaine has the courage to ask the weak-man for a duel, who is the coward ? The weak-man that went on the boat, even knowing he cannot fight ? Or the handsome-strong man that is sure to win ? And what is more, who do not fears to kill the (husband and mainly) father* of the son of the woman he loves and take with him ?
Is this not bravery, trying even when there is no hope?
(*and thus the only person who will take care of her boy)

5- To save his children, he has only a “little” thing to do – something that seems impossible to succeed.
But he decides to make it. He use what he has, what he knows, he works together with his son.
The previous “dark one” is a true evil – or a true desesperate soul – as in exchange of the money-gift that makes him a man almost as poor as himself (disguised as a beggar), he offers a curse.
Did the previous dark-one choose Rample, as he can feel his despair ? (For me, the biggest flaw of Rample is to see him only through the eyes of others)
Thus, did Rample has fallen into the same trap that he later tend to his deal-partners ?
Don’t know. But the more important here, speaking about bravery, is that he has the courage to find the dague and the courage to kill the previous dark-one. I would not have this courage.
Even if the previous dark-one could not fight Rample (as he has the dague), take someone’s life is something.

And well, why the king did not ask the previous dark-one, instead of helping to enlist childs as soldiers, to win the war ? He could, as it’s the firts thing that Rampling-dark-one makes.
I have the reply : to let us have the pleasure to watch this new great work of R.C.

I completey agree with everything you said.

[rcz]

@EileanAChe0 wrote:

Hello
I have some questions about Stiltskin and the fact that he is known to be a coward/craven :

1- He fled during the war. Is that corwardly or braveous ?
Well… In the past, woman without husband had problems to fleed their children.
Children about 14 had to make the war too : without his father, Bae had no chance to survive more than 14.
Every people tell this : they cannot win. The only thing he has to do was to death breavely.
Well, do you think that he was the coward or the most intelligent ?
As for me I think he acts with more intelect than cowardly.

More : after he did not left the village, even thought he was despised by all. Is this cowardly or foolish bravery ?

2- He did not try to use his child as leverage with his wife. Is that not courageous, knowing that he went to seek her knowing her reply ? (“He is no one, it’s my husband” – I think it was not the first “love word” she said him before all the others)
[He is surprised when he sees Bae in the tavern and tell him that he had to stay outside)

3- He tried to flee with his child just before his 14 – because he found no other means to save him.
A coward would have flee some years ago – more : knowing he has no more his woman at home, thus just his son. Is that not true ?

4- He is weak, yes, but it’s physical weakness : and if we take the example of Hook, when this capitaine has the courage to ask the weak-man for a duel, who is the coward ? The weak-man that went on the boat, even knowing he cannot fight ? Or the handsome-strong man that is sure to win ? And what is more, who do not fears to kill the (husband and mainly) father* of the son of the woman he loves and take with him ?
Is this not bravery, trying even when there is no hope?
(*and thus the only person who will take care of her boy)

5- To save his children, he has only a “little” thing to do – something that seems impossible to succeed.
But he decides to make it. He use what he has, what he knows, he works together with his son.
The previous “dark one” is a true evil – or a true desesperate soul – as in exchange of the money-gift that makes him a man almost as poor as himself (disguised as a beggar), he offers a curse.
Did the previous dark-one choose Rample, as he can feel his despair ? (For me, the biggest flaw of Rample is to see him only through the eyes of others)
Thus, did Rample has fallen into the same trap that he later tend to his deal-partners ?
Don’t know. But the more important here, speaking about bravery, is that he has the courage to find the dague and the courage to kill the previous dark-one. I would not have this courage.
Even if the previous dark-one could not fight Rample (as he has the dague), take someone’s life is something.

And well, why the king did not ask the previous dark-one, instead of helping to enlist childs as soldiers, to win the war ? He could, as it’s the firts thing that Rampling-dark-one makes.
I have the reply : to let us have the pleasure to watch this new great work of R.C.

I absolutely agree with you, but I still want to see more about Rumple’s past. I have a theory that he actually had a good hand with a sword because of that fight with Hook, in which he seemed to be good at it. I think that he already had that ‘talent’, however, during the ogre wars, he suffered some accident that made him limb, and he decided to run away, because he saw that he would not survive a battle. It’s just a theory, and I don’t know if it makes sense, but I like it, and “hope never dies”. 🙂

[vasalisa]

There’s a part of me that wants the reunion with Hook and Rumple to be kinder and gentler than the promos I’ve seen so far. I’d like to see Rumple diffuse the situation by telling Hook, “Look, I’m really sorry I killed Milah. Since this Dark One Curse, I have a little trouble controlling my anger. The truth is : I should have let her go. True Love and all. Milah wasn’t mine. We were not a good match. I understand that now … [pan to Belle].”
Hook and Rumple are both hundreds of years older now. Don’t you think they would have mellowed some after all this time?
Hook says, “Let’s let bygones be bygones.”
Nah–It wouldn’t really be such an exciting episode, would it? Maybe someone out in Fan Fic-land will write that one.

[evilqueen]

If it was that easy, Hook wouldn’t be hunting Rumple for those hundreds of years.

[PriceofMagic]

@EvilQueen wrote:

If it was that easy, Hook wouldn’t be hunting Rumple for those hundreds of years.

I agree.

Hook: You killed Milah my supposed true love, you took my hand, I’ve spent hundreds of years trying to find a way to kill you. Do you have any thing to say?

Rumple: Sorry about that.

Hook: That’s all I wanted to hear. I’m going to be on my merry way now.

Ain’t gonna happen.

Their showdown is going to be violent. Hook obviously ignores Cora’s advice and goes after Rumple “halfcocked” so Rumple is going to beat the hell out of him.

I think Hook’s overall revenge against Rumple is going to involve Bae/Neal instead of Belle. Belle may be Hook’s initial target but Rumple’s going to be protective of her whereas Bae/Neal isn’t going to want anything to do with his father, which would make Bae an easier target for Hook.

All magic comes with a price!

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