Mr. Gold/Rumpelstiltskin Character Analysis

[midnight dreary]

@Ser_Dragon wrote:

@SpinningGold wrote:

That’s why as much as I like Belle, I’m coming to wonder if they are right for each other. Yes, he loves her, and he would change for her best he can. But she loves the man she thinks he should be, not the man he is. When she is with him, it is out of a romantic notion that she is his saviour instead of accepting his flaws and loving him flaws and all. That’s why she is threatening to leave him, at least once an episode.(from what I gathered so far, still have to SEE the episodes, so I could be wrong)

This. I wondered why Belle couldn’t accept him as he is/was. I mean of course if he can change a little, become better, it’s all good, but why some women want to change the man they ‘love’ at all coast? After all maybe Belle loosing her memory isn’t that bad… 🙄 Maybe she’s not really the “one only for him”?

She can’t accept who is because he kills people! 😆 Baelfire had the same issue. It’s not Belle’s fault. Rumpel is the one who needs to start making changes. You can’t honestly expect someone to accept a loved one committing all these horribles crimes. Belle loves him, but he does need to change. Belle and Baelfire BOTH saw that.

[a chipped cup]

@Midnight Dreary wrote:

@Ser_Dragon wrote:

@SpinningGold wrote:

That’s why as much as I like Belle, I’m coming to wonder if they are right for each other. Yes, he loves her, and he would change for her best he can. But she loves the man she thinks he should be, not the man he is. When she is with him, it is out of a romantic notion that she is his saviour instead of accepting his flaws and loving him flaws and all. That’s why she is threatening to leave him, at least once an episode.(from what I gathered so far, still have to SEE the episodes, so I could be wrong)

This. I wondered why Belle couldn’t accept him as he is/was. I mean of course if he can change a little, become better, it’s all good, but why some women want to change the man they ‘love’ at all coast? After all maybe Belle loosing her memory isn’t that bad… 🙄 Maybe she’s not really the “one only for him”?

She can’t accept who is because he kills people! 😆 Baelfire had the same issue. It’s not Belle’s fault. Rumpel is the one who needs to start making changes. You can’t honestly expect someone to accept a loved one committing all these horribles crimes. Belle loves him, but he does need to change. Belle and Baelfire BOTH saw that.

I was just about to post this. You summed it up perfectly. And DUH, of course Belle and Rumpel are meant for each other. They’re true love. That’s already been proven.

Mr. Gold wanted to go on the journey alone because he knows finding Bae will be difficult, and when he doesn finally find him, it’s going to take a lot of work to repair their broken relationship. He needs to work this out on his own. It doesn’t mean that he needs to give up Belle in order to have his son. You can have a romantic relationship and children at the same time. People do it everyday. They’re called families.

[an empty heart]

@Midnight Dreary wrote:

She can’t accept who is because he kills people! 😆 Baelfire had the same issue. It’s not Belle’s fault. Rumpel is the one who needs to start making changes. You can’t honestly expect someone to accept a loved one committing all these horribles crimes. Belle loves him, but he does need to change. Belle and Baelfire BOTH saw that.

I was just about to post this. You summed it up perfectly. And DUH, of course Belle and Rumpel are meant for each other. They’re true love. That’s already been proven.

Mr. Gold wanted to go on the journey alone because he knows finding Bae will be difficult, and when he doesn finally find him, it’s going to take a lot of work to repair their broken relationship. He needs to work this out on his own. It doesn’t mean that he needs to give up Belle in order to have his son. You can have love and your child at the same time. People do it everyday. They’re called families.

OMG, hallelujah to you both. Belle has made an awful lot of sacrifices to stay with Rumpel. She fell in love with him knowing that he was evil. She knows he’s not perfect. But it didn’t matter. She loved him and even after she left the castle, she decided to come back. TWICE! Once in Skin Deep, and then the second time in The Outsider. And then once the curse broke in Storybrooke, she forgave him for sending the wraith after Regina and she forgave him for killing his first wife. So, I don’t understand when people ask “why can’t Belle accept Rumpel for who he is.” She has! She knows he’s done terrible things, but she refuses to give up on him. Belle is the one who has sacrificed the most in this relationship, not Rumpel. Belle has accepted all of Rumpel’s flaws, but she knows that he can’t stay evil forever. That kind of darkness will eat away at a person’s soul and she’s trying to help him. And she’s doing the right thing because if Rumpel hasn’t changed by the time he finds Baelfire, he’s going to reject him. So, Belle is doing everyone in that family a favor by trying to help Rumpel change. She’s in the right.

RANT OVER.

[the fairest]

Midnight Dreary, A Chipped Cup and An Empty Heart, I agree with everything you guys just said. Belle has given up a lot to be with Rumpel and she’s behaved admirably throughout this whole ordeal. She knows about Rumpel’s terrible deeds and she’s still sticking around. She has accepted that her true love has done terrible things but she’s trying to help him recover from his darkness. She’s trying to help him become a better man. She doesn’t want to transform him into a different person, she simply wants to help become a better man. Even Rumpel has acknowledge this.

Rumpel was not evil. He used to be a humble single father with dreams of saving innocent children from the ogre wars. This is the true Rumpel. Kind, humble and fatherly. Belle simply wants to help Rumpel return to that. Baelfire wanted the same thing. He saw what the curse did to his father and desperately wanted to reverse it. So, Belle helping Rumpel become a better person is something Baelfire would have wanted. Baelfire would have appreciated that someone still had faith in his father and tried to help him become a better person. Belle and Baelfire were doing the right thing.

[gypsy]

Remember, Rumpelstiltskin is the master of loopholes and plotting, it only figures that the previous Dark One is similar. Plus, Zoso wants to die. He has had enough of life, and wants someone to kill him so he is put out of his misery. It figures, because the Dark One is immortal, Zoso probably has seen all his loved ones die. He probably can’t kill himself, just like Rumpel couldn’t make himself go through the portal. The curse posseses you at such a moment, keeping you back. Therefor having the knife himself would be useless. He needed a poor schmuck that was desperate to do so: Rumpel

SpinningGold –
I get all that and I agree.

My point us, Zoso was being controlled by the owner of the dagger, so, how could he disguise himself as a beggaer to get to Rumple, the “desperate soul” to begin with?
How is it, he was able to go out in the world and set things in motion to determine his own fate if he was being controlled?

Does that mean the one who holds the dagger has limited control over The Dark One?

If so, does Rumple know this? It could be helpful if Cora or Hook, or anyone for that matter, got ahold of the dagger and tried to control Rumple

[ser_dragon]

Ok ok girls, i’m sorry didn’t want to piss you off i swear

Well, i’m not a really a Rumbeller so you see…

@The Fairest wrote:

He used to be a humble single father with dreams of saving innocent children from the ogre wars. This is the true Rumpel. Kind, humble and fatherly. Belle simply wants to help Rumpel return to that.

But FTL Belle didn’t knew his past, and Storybrooke Belle still don’t i think, so she can’t know how he was pre Dark One.

Ah, as i’m typing i realize what you are trying to say, never mind, i can be so stupid sometimes ^^’

[PriceofMagic]

I think Zoso was there because there was a tip off of Rumple trying to run with Bae. Hordor and his men showed up awfully fast. I think the owner of the dagger can control the dark one’s actions but not necessarily the dark one’s thoughts.

Zoso’s dagger was in the duke’s possession but not in his hand so the duke didn’t have direct control over Zoso at that exact time but the fact that the duke had the dagger meant Zoso couldn’t try anything against the duke. So Zoso got someone else to steal the dagger so that the duke was out of the equation.

Rumple is pretty stubborn and strong willed so even if Cora controls his actions, Rumple would still have his own thoughts and agenda. Rumple is also patient. It wouldn’t surprise me if he lets Cora think she has full control over him whilst he is craftily planning her downfall.

Perhaps Cora gets the dagger by threatening Neal/Bae (assuming he is Bae) or Belle. Kind of a “hand over the dagger or your loved one gets it”. The dagger symbolises Rumple’s power, he chose it once over Bae so if he were to willingly give it to Cora in exchange for Bae’s safety then it could help Bae realise that his father is trying to change and that he is choosing love over power.

All magic comes with a price!

Keeper of Felix

[spinninggold]

I know I should have ended that post with : Please don’t kill me!

And yes, fatherly Rumpel is a dear man, but like all humans already is a bit vindictive. He only hasn’t got the power tostand up for himself. When he does, the first thing he does is go on a killing spree. Rumpel dear is a tad overprotective. If you hurt what he loves, he will turn you into mince meat… or mince snail. That fact has not changed over 300 years, and that is the part Belle keeps running from.
BTW I love Belle, and Emelie de Ravin. The moment I saw her backstage twirling her Belle dress like a little girl I thought: You’re my kinda girl! I would do that too.
All I am saying is that she should give Rumpel a break. His dark side is sexy too. Waaaaay sexy. Come over to the dark side, Belle. Live a little. Don’t be a goodie two-shoes all the time.

[midnight dreary]

@SpinningGold wrote:

I know I should have ended that post with : Please don’t kill me!

And yes, fatherly Rumpel is a dear man, but like all humans already is a bit vindictive. He only hasn’t got the power tostand up for himself. When he does, the first thing he does is go on a killing spree. Rumpel dear is a tad overprotective. If you hurt what he loves, he will turn you into mince meat… or mince snail. That fact has not changed over 300 years, and that is the part Belle keeps running from.
BTW I love Belle, and Emelie de Ravin. The moment I saw her backstage twirling her Belle dress like a little girl I thought: You’re my kinda girl! I would do that too.
All I am saying is that she should give Rumpel a break. His dark side is sexy too. Waaaaay sexy. Come over to the dark side, Belle. Live a little. Don’t be a goodie two-shoes all the time.

Shame, shame, shame, shame on you. 😆

[a chipped cup]

It’s the leather pants.

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