- This topic has 739 replies, 88 voices, and was last updated 7 years, 4 months ago by
.
-
Posts
-
@A Chipped Cup wrote:
It’s the leather pants.
*nodnodnodnodnodnodnodnod* Welcome to the dark side, we got triple chocolat devil food cake! 😆 😈 😆
[adrotate group="5"]he couldn’t have known the future yet at the time the magic bean was going to transport him to the land without magic. he only took that power from that fortune teller much later no?
@SpinningGold wrote:
@A Chipped Cup wrote:
It’s the leather pants.
*nodnodnodnodnodnodnodnod* Welcome to the dark side, we got triple chocolat devil food cake! 😆 😈 😆
for me, it Rumpel’s crazy laughs. My boyfriend does a really good Rumpel laugh and every time he does it, I get all 😆 😆 and silly.
spinning gold wrote:
I think that might not be cowardness after all. More like sacrifice. Think of it for a moment: He has done everything to keep the promise to his son the past 300 year. But he needs his magic for that (or at least is convinced he does) If Belle “cures” him of that, it’s gone.So he gets mad. Now let’s go a step further. Maybe Rumpelstiltskin knows the ingredients he need for the curse: True love and the heart of what he loves most. Both can be found in Belle. So he would need to sacrifice her for his son. And part of him would, certainly. He has placed his son above everything. But he loves Belle too. He probably knows himself enough to know he can’t trust himself with such a temptation. So he makes the only decision he can: to send her away.
this is very interesting. I was just thinking about thi today, how Rumple would have never been able to prepare that curse in order to get to his son so he used Regina. it’s a kind of catch 22 for him: do something for love but kill a loved one? With Regina it’s different. she isn’t casting the curse for love, but for spite and anger (and hate) so it can work for her. I wonder how he knew Regina to be so spiteful, is it because he knew her mother?
I wonder if Rumple (who was only Mr. Gold at the time anyway, so it’s a very what-if question) would have arranged for Regina to get Henry if he’d known of their biological relationship at the time. Somehow I think he probably wouldn’t have. Of course, it would be a totally different story in that case…
Keeper of Belle's Gold magic, sand dollar, cloaks, purple FTL outfit, spell scroll, library key, copy of Romeo and Juliet, and cry-muffling pillow, Rumple's doll, overcoat, and strength, and The Timeline. My spreadsheet: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6r8CySCCWd9R0RUNm4xR3RhMEU/view?usp=sharing
Pardon if this is rehashing old territory, but has anyone spent much time pondering Rumplestiltskin’s “sliding scale of makeup” as an indicator of the curse’s hold on him (and as an informer on the timeline)? I started noticing that the amount of makeup Carlyle dons as the Dark One changes quite a lot from episode to episode. In general from what I’ve seen about special effects makeup, makeup teams generally come up with a template to follow for a character to help streamline the process and help it look consistent from shoot to shoot- but the differences in the makeup seem very pronounced which leads me to believe that it as a conscious effort to show the effects of the curse at a given time.
For example, right after receiving the curse from Zozo, Rumplestiltskin looks fairly normal. There is a definite dark influence over him- but it’s like a shadow. His eyes have been shadowed, his skin is sallow and he appears to be wearing contacts. Even in “The Return”, there are some scenes where it’s almost possible to miss the Dark One makeup (like the daytime scene in the forest with Bae, the lighting through the trees hides the SFX makeup). This makes plenty of sense because at that point Rumple is concerned with using his powers for overall good. he wants to protect his son. He wanted to bring an end to the fighting in the Ogres War. He’s not very judicious about how he uses his powers, but he’s not really out to prove anything or accomplish anything other than bettering the life of his son. The curse definitely has a hold on him, but I don’t think he realizes it. He still believes he controlls the curse, not the other way around.
In other episodes, he is positively green and covered in what looks like glitter- there is a visible textural difference to his skin. (I think the makeup also ends up making the lines on Carlyle’s face more pronounced, which adds a sinister quality and makes many of his expressions seem much more over the top. It’s almost like a mask.) Even at the end of the FTL sequence in “The Return” he seems noticeably more “made up”. There is a shine to his face and the curse’s influence is more evident.
This may also just be the makeup department using its skills to influence the viewer, of course. Rumplestiltskin’s makeup in “Skin Deep” is fairly minimal, likely to help the audience sympathize with the character the way Belle is starting to. Most of that episode, it looks like he just has a bit of a muddied foundation on- that is until the last scene in the dungeon, where it looks like the glitter is back. By the very end of the episode when Regina comes in to gloat, his skin is practically grey and we see more of the “textured” makeup on his face. (He’s also put his ‘crocodile’ coat back on, another layer of defense against the cruel world. He’s back to playing the over the top villain as a means of protecting himself- rather than having his defenses down as he did while wearing more casual clothing around Belle) This could just be me, or the lighting, or whatever, but it’s interesting to think about. As I rewatch the series, I’ll probably be paying a bit more attention to the makeup, less as a timestamp (because I think the curse’s control fluctuates and is often at odds with Rumplestiltskin’s own willpower) but more as an idea of what his state at any given time might be.
"Nothing is easier than to denounce the evildoer; nothing is more difficult than to understand him."
I think the amount of makeup is often an indicator of the “level of darkness” as it were. When Belle and he were obviously falling in love in Skin Deep, the makeup became far less dramatic, as did his clothes. But in the scene where Regina came to call and tell him that Belle had died, after he’s lost her, his green/gold skin is much heavier and his clothes are some of the darkest and heaviest that we’ve seen. When he was falling for Cora the makeup was much heavier, but I think Cora brought out his darkness.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I agree there’s something to how heavy they make him up, based on the darkness. It’s these attentions to little details that I like (and makes it harder when they miss something like…curtains).
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
*rapid eye twitch* Those curtains haunt my dreams.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"The thing with the curtains is it was such an important scene in Skin Deep, it’s not just a background detail that could be easily overlooked such as Snow’s wanted poster has her wedding day hairstyle. Also, considering Robin is meant to be a great thief and is stealing from Rumple “the dark one”, smashing a window isn’t exactly stealthy. Rumple heard it and was there in seconds, how exactly did Robin think he was going to make it out of there in one piece?
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of Felix
The topic ‘Mr. Gold/Rumpelstiltskin Character Analysis’ is closed to new replies.